Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

RT is a buzz with breaking news as of late.

The second pilot of Russia’s Su-24, shot down by a Turkish fighter jet on Tuesday, insists that his plane did not cross into Turkey’s airspace, and says he was given no visual or radio warning before being fired at.

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originally posted by: majesticgent
RT is a buzz with breaking news as of late.

The second pilot of Russia’s Su-24, shot down by a Turkish fighter jet on Tuesday, insists that his plane did not cross into Turkey’s airspace, and says he was given no visual or radio warning before being fired at.

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Turkey merely defends the oil they bought from ISIS. Great job Turkey, may your souls rest in peace.

Breaking: Rescued Pilot says there was no warnings before shootdown:
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originally posted by: svetlana84
Breaking: Rescued Pilot says there was no warnings before shootdown:
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I wouldn't expect an honest answer from both sides mate. Of course the Russians will say they didn't get a warning.

originally posted by: Belgianbloke

originally posted by: svetlana84
Breaking: Rescued Pilot says there was no warnings before shootdown:
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I wouldn't expect an honest answer from both sides mate. Of course the Russians will say they didn't get a warning.

No matter what, it just doesn't justify to shoot down a plane with course out of the region, given that Turkey tells the truth. 17 seconds in their airspace just doesn't cut shooting it down. Plus, they shot the plane IN SYRIAN TERRITORY, so they actually chased it outside of their own airspace to shoot it down.

a reply to: SBargisen

Aye, agree and besides it wasn't even 17 seconds, it was far less; read below

According to a letter Turkey sent to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the 15 members of the UN Security Council, the Russian warplane, flying at 19,000 feet, “violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds.” If you do the math on that, it means the Su-24 was basically flying at stall speed.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
If Putin did this a few days ago, the whole world would be up in arms and against Russia's bombardment along this border. Now, it seems no one is blinking since most will say it is 'tit for tat'. I am starting to wonder if Putin is smarter than given credit. Was the shooting down of his plane a tragedy or strategy?

A freebie?

Well, we all know the Rebels have had supplies from Turkey. And what I think most of suspect, is that ISIS has as well. Looking at it strategically, it can't really come from anywhere else. And even if ISIS can "collect" some stuff, the US is parachuting to rebels, that has to be marginal. And Turkmen on the ground, smell like "Turkey wanting to expand it's border and gain from Syria's inner conflict". That suggest Turkey is playing a double role here and has a lot to gain from the conflict going south for Assad, and ISIS "free" route to and from Syria, through Turkey as well as the refugee status and Germany offering billions to aid Turkey ... smells "turkey".

In light of this, I'd say Putin probably smiled at Turkey shooting down it's fighter. It puts Putin on the "right" of the conflict...

a reply to: Belgianbloke
I agree! But so far we just heard turkeys claims (with no evidence to back it up).

originally posted by: Belgianbloke
According to a letter Turkey sent to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the 15 members of the UN Security Council, the Russian warplane, flying at 19,000 feet, “violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds.” If you do the math on that, it means the Su-24 was basically flying at stall speed.

Yup. Turkey #ed up to say the least. Even if they flew there for several minutes, but were heading out, they should merely escort them out of their region. That is what is normally done. Erdogan even said in 2012 that you shouldn't shoot down a plane, because it momentarily flies within your airspace.

I suppose Turkey gets what is coming to them now, with that S-400 targetting fighter jets trying to take off.

Again, good job Turkey.

originally posted by: svetlana84
Breaking: Rescued Pilot says there was no warnings before shootdown:
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Trust me, whether there was a warning or not the Russians KNEW they were being shadowed. Those F-16's lit up those Russian bombers like the noon day sun with radars.

They played with fire and got burned. The real question is whether it was intentional or not.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: svetlana84
Breaking: Rescued Pilot says there was no warnings before shootdown:
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Trust me, whether there was a warning or not the Russians KNEW they were being shadowed. Those F-16's lit up those Russian bombers like the noon day sun with radars.

They played with fire and got burned. The real question is whether it was intentional or not.

Nah... The real question is, why would Turkey risk getting involved in a war they would lose.

Russian pilot says:

“In actual fact there were no warnings at all. Neither through the radio, nor visually, so we did not at any point adjust our course. You need to understand the difference in speed between a tactical bomber like Su-24, and that of the F16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have sat on our wing,” said Murakhtin, who is currently recuperating at Russia’s airbase in Latakia, in northern Syria.

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originally posted by: SBargisen

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: svetlana84
Breaking: Rescued Pilot says there was no warnings before shootdown:
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Trust me, whether there was a warning or not the Russians KNEW they were being shadowed. Those F-16's lit up those Russian bombers like the noon day sun with radars.

They played with fire and got burned. The real question is whether it was intentional or not.

Nah... The real question is, why would Turkey risk getting involved in a war they would lose.

Maybe they got the go ahead from a country able to take on Russia...

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

They played with fire and got burned. The real question is whether it was intentional or not.

Baiting them?

Turkey shooting down the Aircraft, sure sounds like Turkey has troops on the ground where the Russian plane was operating. Think about it, in a conflict like this and you have "civilians" (turkmen) down there, you'd have them leave and provide shelter for them. After all, they're close to the border. So, what is it that Turkey would risk a war with Russia, to protect inside the border of Syria?

The only logical answer to me, is troops that are in works to forward Turkey's desire for expanding it's borders. We already know, they've created a buffer zone there ... and already have done border expansion. I think we can presume that's what occurred.

originally posted by: SBargisen

originally posted by: majesticgent
RT is a buzz with breaking news as of late.

The second pilot of Russia’s Su-24, shot down by a Turkish fighter jet on Tuesday, insists that his plane did not cross into Turkey’s airspace, and says he was given no visual or radio warning before being fired at.

www.rt.com...

Turkey merely defends the oil they bought from ISIS. Great job Turkey, may your souls rest in peace.

Exactly

All part of Turkey's plan to depopulate Syria of ethnic minorities. All those tourist hotspots in western Turkey itself were once majority Greek Christian only 100 years ago, plus the east of Turkey with the Christian Armenians too. Now Turkey is almost at the decimail point level 100% Muslim. They killed them all in holocaust! Now these Turks try to do the same on their south by supporting and supplying IS, murdering the Christians in Syria!

Everyone I know around here I've spoken to applauds Russia in its efforts to keep secular Syria functioning. We are all British.

Of course the true intentions will never be known, but there must have been some sensitive and highly valued assets in the area near the Su-24 for the shoot down order to be given with such rapid notice.

It would seem as if it happened so rapidly that the Su-24 didn't have a chance to perform any counter measures to spoof the coming missiles.

originally posted by: sosobad

Maybe they got the go ahead from a country able to take on Russia...

Who can take on Russia? US? Nah. NATO? Nah.

The truth? Noone wish to go head to head with Russia. That could mean total annihilation. Nuclear war.
Let's look at it this way;
ALL the world decides to take on Russia, and 1 billion troops (Hypothetically.) gets deployed to conquer Russia. Russia knows it is the end, and presses that damn fine red button. BOOM. That was Earth. Done.

Let me ask you a question, would you not, given your enemy has a gun pointed to your head, and you have the possibility to atleast take your enemy down with you, do that exact thing? My bet is, that most would.

originally posted by: majesticgent
Of course the true intentions will never be known, but there must have been some sensitive and highly valued assets in the area near the Su-24 for the shoot down order to be given with such rapid notice.

It would seem as if it happened so rapidly that the Su-24 didn't have a chance to perform any counter measures to spoof the coming missiles.

Oil.
Turkmen.

a reply to: SBargisen

Because they mistakenly thought they could draw their big brother in to the fight with them for the sake of legitimacy.

Remember, the only dog Turkey has in this fight is an economic one. Don't let yourself be fooled for one second by the notion Turkey had some great humanitarian concern for their Arab brothers being killed in Syria. No, this is ALL about money, resources and trade (black market trade, but trade none the less).

Russia is putting the squeeze on Turkey by hitting major supply lines along the border. As a result, Turkey is just itching for a reason to pull the trigger on Russian forces (which is exactly what they did). However, they waited for the west to bolster their posture by doing things like sending over elite fighter squadrons from western Europe. Prior to this actions such as what have taken place would have been a fool's errand. The problem though (for Turkey) is they telegraphed their punch by filing a dubious formal protest with the UN under the guise of humanitarian reasons.

Putin don't play dat #t, and called their bluff...and they took the bait, creating an what Turkey hoped would be an "International Incident" when in fact it is being quickly walked back as an "unfortunate act". Not what Turkey had wanted at all. OOPS.

originally posted by: SBargisen

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: svetlana84
Breaking: Rescued Pilot says there was no warnings before shootdown:
www.rt.com...

Trust me, whether there was a warning or not the Russians KNEW they were being shadowed. Those F-16's lit up those Russian bombers like the noon day sun with radars.

They played with fire and got burned. The real question is whether it was intentional or not.

Nah... The real question is, why would Turkey risk getting involved in a war they would lose.

Perhaps, Turkey did not see it that way. I was surprised to learn more about them.

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