Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

This thread has turned into a typical ww3 thread amongst the thousands and has been derailed to no end.

Would be nice if it stayed on the headline.

We know about the nukes already.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

I think you might want to rethink your statement!!

So, in reality ... we live under the constant threat of several mad suicide bombers called US, Britain, France, Russia and China. Who threaten to "murder" us all, if we don't comply to their demands.

Call their bluff, that's what I say ... the only enemy here, is our own "fear".

originally posted by: Imhere
We know about the nukes already.

Understood.

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I must admit I harbour no love for any politician let alone Putin, but seeing what is going on in the world and making educated decisions on what I've read and heard I strongly believe he the lesser of the evil before us. I am ashamed of what our western democracies have become. I am pissed as hell how much the quest for US led hemogony over the world has ruined this planet.

I only hope that karma catches up with the founders and funders of Daesh. Mainly, NATO, Turkey, Saudi, UAE and Qatar. Any great post btw, The Syrian army has been alone up to this point fighting the terrorists.



a reply to: elementalgrove

a reply to: bjarneorn

You go on with your bad self. Me, I'm just going to hope no one ever pushes the 'button'!

a reply to: bjarneorn

No, once again, my point here all along has been; no one is playing the nuclear card...and no one is going to anytime soon. Certainly not over the loss of a single fighter jet. Not Russia, not the US, not China...or anyone else.

Simple.

originally posted by: HickoryStick
I only hope that karma catches up with the founders and funders of Daesh. Mainly, NATO, Turkey, Saudi, UAE and Qatar. Any great post btw, The Syrian army has been alone up to this point fighting the terrorists.

I'm not so sure, who "created" them ... I do know, it "appears" western aid is ending in their hands. Maybe by design, and maybe because that's how ISIS want it to appear. I do know, the US supported "shia" in Iraq. That doesn't really comply with sunni, whom they have opposed as being "Saddam" guy's. They might just as well be Russia's creation, who always supported sunni's and who knows, maybe the Rebels are in reality the ham in Russia/ISIS sandwich.

I don't know ...

What I do know, is the US has been there since 1993 ... and the entire region is a horror, and NATO's intervention in Libya, made even that into a horror show.

I don't know about the Russians, but I sincerely oppose "my" own side having any part in it.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: bjarneorn

No, once again, my point here all along has been; no one is playing the nuclear card...and no one is going to anytime soon. Certainly not over the loss of a single fighter jet. Not Russia, not the US, not China...or anyone else.

Simple.

True far worse has happened without things going nuclear.

What can happen is that Turkey may interfere with F16s when the Russians start bombing the Turkmen now. In response they can get some of their F16s shotdown. This is the worst case senario at the moment.

For sure Russia will hit Turkmen rebels now. If Turkey protects them or not, we will see.

a reply to: asen_y2k

Yes, I think most of the world respects that a Russian jet is not worth nuclear war, not even Putin whose men these were.

I do expect the Turkmen to pay when he can get them though. Now what happens when they shelter inside Turkey?

All this talk of w3 & nuclear war is nonsense. Russia can revenge their loss other ways such as assisting the kurdish plans for autonomy example. Imo this is a small victory for russia as they exposed to the whole world turkeys true intetions! More & more are seeing how things really are!

a reply to: bjarneorn

Don't forget Saddam used to be our guy when we armed him to the teeth (including chemical weapons), in the fight against Iran. Friends come and go in politics.

As to the creators and facilitators of Daesh, we may never know the whole truth and that's by design, plausible deniability. I just go with what my senses tell me, what I researched, and who gains and loses to get my answers.

originally posted by: asen_y2k
For sure Russia will hit Turkmen rebels now. If Turkey protects them or not, we will see.

Doesn't that really depend on what Putin's goals are? The guy appears pretty level headed.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: asen_y2k

Yes, I think most of the world respects that a Russian jet is not worth nuclear war, not even Putin whose men these were.

I do expect the Turkmen to pay when he can get them though. Now what happens when they shelter inside Turkey?

You see these Turkmen are just extension of Turkey. They including NATO wants Assad to go. If the Turkmens cover inside Turkey, their objectives are not met. While the Syrian Army under Russian air cover can advance right upto Turkish border, hence cutting off NATO/Turkish support for ISIS and other anti Assad rebels.

But if they choose to stay inside Syria and fight, they will be destroyed. I guess Russia will begin carpet bombing of Turkems today itself. Russian cruiser Moskva is already in position. SU30 air supiriority fighters are already based in Syria and will now onwards escort all bombers.

Turkey played a short sighted move. This move infact helped Russia. Now they enforce a de facto No Fly Zone and butchers all anti Assad forces.

originally posted by: HickoryStick
a reply to: bjarneorn

Don't forget Saddam used to be our guy when we armed him to the teeth (including chemical weapons), in the fight against Iran. Friends come and go in politics.

True, my thoughts last night. Nato & allies despose once there is no need or use. Once turky has no usfulness they do to turkey what they done to iraq & sadam...

a reply to: bjarneorn

Compared to Obama's manic foreign policy, my crazy ex-boyfriend seems level-headed. Lil Kim out in North Korea is level headed or at least consistent.

Putin knows what he wants and sticks to it which makes him seem level-headed by comparison.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: asen_y2k

Yes, I think most of the world respects that a Russian jet is not worth nuclear war, not even Putin whose men these were.

If it was just the su-24 and it's pilots.. i'd 100% agree with you.

But we're forgetting what happened a few weeks ago, who did that.. and who now looks like is helping those that did that spread across the globe with pre-made passports,,

If proven to be a central hub of Daesh to the west, turkey will stand no more.

That's the real betrayal here.
That's the problem that needs addressing.
The su-24 event is a symptom of a much greater cancer

a reply to: asen_y2k
Best decision for Russia is to keep demolishing and advancing on terrorist held territory within Syria where they are making big gains and not go for the Turkish bait. Leave the Turks to eat crow politically.
But I do believe some sort of retaliation is necessary, though it doesn't have to be military.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: asen_y2k
Best decision for Russia is to keep demolishing and advancing on terrorist held territory within Syria where they are making big gains and not go for the Turkish bait. Leave the Turks to eat crow politically.
But I do believe some sort of retaliation is necessary, though it doesn't have to be military.

Here's the truth ...under the rhetoric of "fighting terrorists" putin went in and started bombing everyone that opposes Assad...who is an dictator and an A-hole of epic proportions. Yes Putin has bombed ISIS..but yes he has bombed rebels and civilians and anyone else opposed to Assad.

He has also repeatedly flown bombing raids on the Turkish Border and yes, flown in Turkish airspace ignoring their borders.

No..Putin will not bomb Turkey...he is crap out of luck...NATO is reaching a tipping point and despite the bravado Putin can't afford a confrontation with NATO.

Putin had no business repeatedly sending pilots in harms way crossing Turkish borders just to make his point. The pilots deaths are his Bad. If he sent planes to drop bombs a half mile off the coast of California crossing back and forth into the USA, we would be turning Suks into fireworks displays without a second thought.

Putin bravado cost those pilots their lives. I feel for the pilots who were following orders.

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: bjarneorn

No, once again, my point here all along has been; no one is playing the nuclear card...and no one is going to anytime soon. Certainly not over the loss of a single fighter jet. Not Russia, not the US, not China...or anyone else.

Simple.

True far worse has happened without things going nuclear.

What can happen is that Turkey may interfere with F16s when the Russians start bombing the Turkmen now. In response they can get some of their F16s shotdown. This is the worst case senario at the moment.

For sure Russia will hit Turkmen rebels now. If Turkey protects them or not, we will see.

This is actually the reason why Turkey were so agressive and brough Down the SU-24. Two days before this event Turkey had gone to the UN accusing Russia for Targeting the Turkmen (who Turkey see as their long time rebel allies) in the exact same location.

There has also been a boarder dispute in the same location between Turkey and Syria since the rebel oprising.