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Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: MrSpad

This is what Russia are going to do.



In This video it is mentioned that Russia will send:

1. A additional missile destroyer equiped With S300. It is to be stationed at Lakatia.

2. All bombers will be escorted by fighters.

3. Russia will deal With Turkey on a military Level.



That is basically doing nothing. Russia will need some sort of public sanction against the Turks that will not hurt its vital trade with them nor the the pipeline deals. Russia needs those natural gas, wheat and oil sales to Turkey badly. In particular now that Saudi's have taken back over as China's largest oil supplier.
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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: 23432


East Turkestan will be freed from Communist Genocidal maniacs .

" When Metehan faced the Chinese army , Turkish army looked weak and small. Metehan's General asked him what his thoughts were .
He replied - Where am I going to bury this many Chinese ."


There is no Turkish army there any more.

There is a Chinese army there.




Battles are won and battles are lost but Turk is still here with the claim .
It is called East Turkestan and frankly speaking your willingness to genocide Turks starting to get boring .



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: spy66

The Russians talking at 3.15 about the rescue helicopter being destroyed by mortar fire . Now there seems to be a video circulating and it clearly being shot by a TOW Missile system..





I dont think The Russian general looks on Youtube for intelligence right now.

Mortar or a TOW makes no difference really.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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edit on Tue Nov 24 2015 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)

7:18 PM EST
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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
That is basically doing nothing. Russia will need some sort of public sanction against the Turks that will not hurt its vital trade with them nor the the pipeline deals. Russia needs those natural gas, wheat and oil sales to Turkey badly. In particular now that Saudi's have taken back over as China's largest oil supplier.


I think we all can breathe out right now, knowing it's not going to escalate at the moment. And I agree with your assessment, that they're not going to do anything.

So, if you are correct ... which I am presuming you are. This basically means, the Russians are not going to "face" ISIS, only keep to defending "their" part of Syria (The Russian base), thus aiding in splitting Syria into three different areas. So, what is the real Turkish gameplay here? Since most of the Syrian/Turkish border is "kurdish"?
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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad




That is basically doing nothing. Russia will need some sort of public sanction against the Turks that will not hurt its vital trade with them nor the the pipeline deals. Russia needs those natural gas, wheat and oil sales to Turkey badly. In particular now that Saudi's have taken back over as China's largest oil supplier.


Personally i think Russia looks at this a bit differently compared to how we in the west do.

Putin has a military objective With what he is doing in Syria. And i think Putin will adjust to the different Challenges he meet along the way to Reach his military objective. That means trade is part of a different objective.

Putin is physically compensating militarly for what happend yesturday. Indirectly Putin have warned Turkey.

And by the way. Did Turkey shoot Down the SU under orders from NATO? Probably not since Turkey called for a Meeting With NATO after. That means this action was all on Turkey, not NATO.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: rigel4

It was Turkey that shot down the Russian Su-24. The Russians have been repeatedly warned before about violating Turkey's airspace on previous occasions and now, their violations have resulted in the loss of one of their aircraft.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: skyeagle409

The US+co has been violating Syrian airspace for years now.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:13 PM
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I am really trying to grasp all of the information coming in from the last 71 pages. Let me see if I am getting this right. Russia has flown over Turkish airspace in the past and Turkey was upset. NATO gave them the okay to shoot down any incursion in their air space after warnings have been given and disregarded. Most recently, TWO Russian Su-24s incurred into Turkey air space. Turkey seen them looping closer and closer to the border for nearly 10 minutes, warning that they would shoot them down. No response from Russia.

Turkey loses one plan as it flees the area, but is able to foresee where the second plane would loop across the nipple of the border, so they direct their planes to that location to shoot that plane down. Said Russian plane falls into syrian border area.

So far, Turkey seems to be in the right. Russian helicopter is fired upon by FSA ground fire. Turkey is assisting the FSA fighters. FSA fighters are in a revolution against the sovereign state of Syria: aka Assad. Assad requests Putin (Russia) for assistance via a coalition. Russia, in assisting Assad government, is attacking ALL terrorists to the current regime of Syria.

As a side note: Radical ISIL or ISIS has taken root in the area due to it's appeal to pay better than either side of the fighting factions! NATO allies seem to be in full support of supporting FSA fighters, yet they seem to keep changing into ISIL/ISIS? The current regime has not requested nor received any support from NATO allies.

I think I keeping up with the news, but to my western mind, this is becoming extremely confusing! How in the world does one really sift out the good guys in such a chaotic, geopolitical mess as all of this?



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:16 PM
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Turkey's statement: Claims Russia violated airspace for just "17 seconds" with very slow 243 miles/hour jet.
twitter.com...

link shows leaked letter from Turkey to the UN

so they shot the plane down for being in turkish airspace for 17 seconds and now they're trying to justify their actions.

17 seconds, i just don't even care about the world anymore, i could die tomorrow and really not care.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Well, if Russia EMPs anyone it will be ww3,
that is for certain.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I don't think Russia is in the position to go full scale on a war that was meant to distract from Ukraine and they know it.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

How old are you? My God.

Let's hope there is a way for everyone to play nice in the sandbox. I mean is the world really that #ing small?



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Seriously, get a grip! Even Russia is not stupid enough to start lobbing off nukes. I will give Putin credit that he, in his own mind, is trying to do what is right for Russian interests. Nukes are not going to be in play over this squirmish.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

Well, it's more like. Russia flies their planes, and were hitting some fuel tankers that were headed towards Turkey, from ISIS. And targeting some "border" clans, that were supporting ISIS as well as the area that is needed to "close the loop" on anti-Assad Rebels around Aleppo. Turkey was pissed off, because this means they don't get the ISIS oil, and the rebels that were around the border are Turkmen. So, in short they shot down one of the fighter jets over Syria, and proclaimed Russian incursion in their Airspace as the reason. The real reason, is that Russia was operating inside a region that Turkey sees as a "safe zone" for their Rebels, inside Syria.

NATO, along with the US, is so focused on destabilizing the middle east. That they don't care about ISIS, only the control over the oil flow. ISIS also "threatens" NATO countries, with more unrest and terrorism ... if NATO does not stop Russia from wreaking havoc in ISIS territories. So, whenever ISIS is hit ... something happens to "planes", in Paris, Brussels ... just as it has happened today.

And NATO, they don't have the guts to standup against terrorism as their muslim populaton has become overwhelming. So they allow a shoot down of a Russian aircraft, to "signify" to Russia to backoff the ISIS dudes. Let the "money flow", is the message ... allow Assad to be toppled.

I think this is the "heart" of it all ... reading between the lines.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I don't think Russia is in the position to go full scale on a war that was meant to distract from Ukraine and they know it.


It never was a distraction from Ukraine ... the Rebels were getting too close to the Russian base, and Russia needs a proxy war with NATO to deter NATO from going any further into Russia. NATO is closing in on Russia, one small region at a time and is fully intent on destroying it.

In fact, Putin is trying to "avoid" a catastrophic war ... by aiding Europe in "ridding" it of terrorism, and hoping to be allowed on the board as a result.

He's just reading the board wrong ... US/NATO is going after Russia/China/Iran ... no matter what. And the "terrorists" are US creation, and their "prize" for aiding in the destruction of the ME, is "free ticket to Europe".

As Akkiles said it ... "there are no deals between men and lions" ... even if was just in a movie :-)


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: bjarneorn
Thank you for your response. Yet, I am still confused. The proproganda from so many directions makes it difficult. I understand patriotic pride culturally and know that not a single source will provide an accurate assessment without some patriotic embellishment aka bias. I am doing my best not to be bias and see through every sides perception. Trust me, it gives one a serious headache! I will have to keep reading and assessing. It does seem like everyone is right from their own perceptions, that is why I find this to be such a chaotic mess. Too many perspectives seemed to be involved which ends up making everyone in the wrong.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:38 PM
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Do NOT believe the mainstream media on this one, folks. Listening to them "explain" what happened with the shooting down of this jet...and everything else that has to do with Syria, Turkey, ISIS, et all. is like I've slipped into the Twilight Zone and is an insult to my (and your) intelligence.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

As much as I'd like to agree, because the US presence in the middle east is making things worse, I'd like Russia to take a handle on it. But I don't think the US wants war with Russia, Russia was on the up and up before Ukraine so I do think we want to cut out competition by demonizing Russia. That being said I don't think any side is right and while Russia had done some good, the fly anywhere you want mentality is rolling the dice on all incidents resulting in escorts out of airspace. That being said I know the US isn't the biggest believer in Sovereign air space



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