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Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: 23432
Asad's election was a farce . Asad , like his father has turned out to be a butcher of his own people .


Agreed, but first things first ... unless this is stopped, it will turn into another Libya/Iraq which is worse than Assad.

The Russians can be "negotiated" with ... if they say Assad goes, he goes, period.



The whole of the existence of Syria , the minority of Syrians ruled over majority of Syrians .


That is the case of all nations.



In Asad's Syria , the Kurds for example were treated like donkeys and they weren't even issued Government ID's .

That is the perspective of Asad Government.

Russia supports Asad not because of Democracy and Human Rights but to save the Russian Military base in the Eastern Med .


They're in there for the same reason the US is, to protect their "oil" interests. But oddly enough, it's actually an opportunity ...




posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Dont care who it would piss off. He doesnt need their approval, real or theoretically.


Awww you really want your little war dont you?

Why don’t us on ATS band together and buy you some toy solider to play war with? That way REAL people dont need to die? Plus you will be disappointed when WW3 doesn’t happen.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:27 PM
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Anyone think that this is becoming a sandbox to test weapons or for the sake "Just" use them?



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: Belgianbloke

They kill everyone who does not agree with their form of law and religion,
even other Muslims.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Not at all. I was responding to your claim where you said theoretically, which is wrong.


Are you drunk?

Really lets put in another way shall we?

on PAPER yes he does have that power.

In the REAL WORLD useing that power would piss off most of parliment and the public.


true but this is politics and all that matters is getting the end that they want.

So if the public are against X, but he can do it anyway without their approval, and that's the political objective, then he'll do it anyway.

Who wanted to go to war with Iraq? Over 1 million people were bothered enough to get off their backside, then they travelled to London to protest against it - we still went to war with Iraq.


But unfortunately that war still had parliamentary approval.

And Camron already set a president by backing down on his war horse on the last Syria air strike vote.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: Power_Semi



Who wanted to go to war with Iraq? Over 1 million people were bothered enough to get off their backside, then they travelled to London to protest against it - we still went to war with Iraq.

That's what it all boils down to.
People can piss and moan, the politicos do what they want anyway. Even if the populace came with torches and pitchforks.... tptb would just have them shot.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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originally posted by: bjarneorn

originally posted by: 23432
Asad's election was a farce . Asad , like his father has turned out to be a butcher of his own people .


Agreed, but first things first ... unless this is stopped, it will turn into another Libya/Iraq which is worse than Assad.



WRONG the reason why it IS turning into another Libya and Iraq is because the same players are once again involved.
AMERICAN INTERESTS.
Your country? We don't care, you have something and we want it.

The whole damn mess started with your messed up foreign policy. When Obama said at the UN ( now i'm paraphrasing )
Our nations interest transcends borders and nations.
edit on 24-11-2015 by Belgianbloke because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-11-2015 by Belgianbloke because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Not at all. Like I said earlier I was correcting your mistake / false info. Nothing more nothing less.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: SBargisen

originally posted by: victor7

HOW DARE THIS DEGENERATE NATION BRING US ALL TO A BRINK OF WW3..........to fulfill its DEGENERATE AGENDA.

World has to do something about the DEGENERATE mindset of certain nations.


I agree. Kick Turkey out, let them swim in their own lake.



NATO supports Turks .

Do you two follow anything other then your own imaginations ?


NATO exists for mutual defense, not for one member for pick and fight and drag everyone else into it without a by your leave. Turkey wants to do that, they need to at least get some agreements in place first. Otherwise, this is their problem.



Your understanding lacks basic information ;

Nato has given Green Light to bring down the plane . Nato is picking a fight with Russian incursions into Turkmen area .

Turkmen are Nato friendly and if they loose the area ,then Nato border security is worsened .

Turkmens of Syria will defend their lives and Turks of Turkey will help too .

Turks of Russia & Iran & China are watching quitely at the moment .



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Not at all. I was responding to your claim where you said theoretically, which is wrong.


Are you drunk?

Really lets put in another way shall we?

on PAPER yes he does have that power.

In the REAL WORLD useing that power would piss off most of parliment and the public.


true but this is politics and all that matters is getting the end that they want.

So if the public are against X, but he can do it anyway without their approval, and that's the political objective, then he'll do it anyway.

Who wanted to go to war with Iraq? Over 1 million people were bothered enough to get off their backside, then they travelled to London to protest against it - we still went to war with Iraq.


But unfortunately that war still had parliamentary approval.

And Camron already set a president by backing down on his war horse on the last Syria air strike vote.


Yes I know, the point I was making is that it doesn't matter what we think or want, the end result will be whatever the political objective is, whoever that is determined by - probably people with large oil interests, etc.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Power_Semi



Who wanted to go to war with Iraq? Over 1 million people were bothered enough to get off their backside, then they travelled to London to protest against it - we still went to war with Iraq.

That's what it all boils down to.
People can piss and moan, the politicos do what they want anyway. Even if the populace came with torches and pitchforks.... tptb would just have them shot.



Indeed - we are the plebs that will do as we are told - or else...



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: Belgianbloke

Syria has nothing the US wants.

China got the oil contracts in Iraq.
We have nothing in Libya.
Iraq is all chummy with iran...


What is the US getting?


The only reason russia is in syria is to keep their base. If isis were the real reason russia would have gone in a long time ago.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:34 PM
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we have some fresh news, also israeli media reported them.

Turkey using these turkmani or whatever they call them in syria, to transfer weapons, etc. Now according to Russia, these turkmani are terrorists and the main target. LINK

so from today, we may see many of these so called turkish minorities, become a smoke. They characterised them as terrorists and from my point of view, they will do the right thing. Nobody gives the right to any mongoloid, to enter a country, hold weapons illegaly and act at will, without respecting the country that host them its laws and ethics. Because they stop been minorities, they turn to be terrorist organizations and they have to be removed.
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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: 23432

Nato has given Green Light to bring down the plane . Nato is picking a fight with Russian incursions into Turkmen area .



There is absolutely no evidence that this is correct. Turkey is acting within its own published rules of engagement which don't need a loop into NATO decision making.

Turkey is capable of acting without permission in a military capacity. France did not need NATO permission to hit Syria.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: Ploutonas
we have some fresh news, also israeli media reported them.


so from today, we may see many of these so called turkish minorities, become a smoke. They characterised them as terrorists and from my point of view, they will do the right thing. Nobody gives the right to any mongoloid, to enter a country, hold weapons illegaly and act at will, without respecting the country that host them, laws and ethics.


So, victor7, now you are using your SECOND account to write the same crap as before?

And BTW, if Russia is going to do this, they should really brace themselves.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:39 PM
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Turkish warnings -




posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: Power_Semi


It's the same all over the world, in the US, UK, Germany, etc - the rich rule the rest of us - always have, and unless there's some major changes they always will.



Here is a news flash !!!

Erdogan is going to outlaw usury soon enough.



President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan told a group of representatives from Turkey's leading conglomerates that no one will take their wealth with them when they die, a reference to ongoing debates over how much Turkey's new minimum wage should be. Erdoğan was addressing a labor market forum on the sidelines of Sunday's G-20 world leaders summit in Antalya.

“We should be more generous to reduce inequality,” Erdoğan told the audience, among them some of the country's top employers.

“Let's earn a little less than you currently do. Share your wealth with the low-income group.

Why? Let's not provoke the poor,” Erdoğan continued in his speech on Sunday in Antalya.



We won’t take our wealth when we die, Erdoğan tells bosses

Erdogan is your hero , you just don't know it yet ,





posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Syria has everything the us wants.
The great game should ring a bell.

Not to mention the new oil line running from Qatar to Europe bypassing Russia; but needs to go through Syria.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: Belgianbloke
WRONG the reason why it IS turning into another Libya and Iraq is because the same players are once again involved.
AMERICAN INTERESTS.
Your country? We don't care, you have something and we want it.

The whole damn mess started with your messed up foreign policy. When Obama said at the UN ( now i'm paraphrasing )
Our nations interest transcends borders and nations.


True, but this time it's a bit different ... prior the US and Russia have had an understanding, and that is Russia has butted out of NWO interrests. Now, they are interfering ... and hopefully, that will change the game.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Belgianbloke

originally posted by: bjarneorn

originally posted by: 23432
Asad's election was a farce . Asad , like his father has turned out to be a butcher of his own people .


Agreed, but first things first ... unless this is stopped, it will turn into another Libya/Iraq which is worse than Assad.



WRONG the reason why it IS turning into another Libya and Iraq is because the same players are once again involved.
AMERICAN INTERESTS.
Your country? We don't care, you have something and we want it.

The whole damn mess started with your messed up foreign policy. When Obama said at the UN ( now i'm paraphrasing )
Our nations interest transcends borders and nations.


I agree that our foreign policy (particularly that of regime change and occupation) are a major contributing factor. But we can NOT ignore European colonialism as a major foundation of the modern problems in the middle east. Creating borders around people that have had unique tribal / regional allegiances, and putting one of the groups in charge (Syria, Iraq, etc.) laid the ground work for a lot of what we are seeing today.




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