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Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: Darkblade71

You give ISIS too much credit.
Not too derail to much, but people act like ISIS is this big organisation with a hierarchy etc.
Fact is its a bunch of splinter groups who fight separately under a same banner. Like pirates.
They don't have a central agency like the CIA
They don't have a vast arsenal of state of the art weapons
Heck they drive toyota's.

If any of this was not scripted, a SAS or Seal team could probably wipe half of them from the face of the planet and still be on time for brunch.
We have satellites, heat imagery, infra, drones... you name it.

How they have managed to survive this long with the world bombing them for over a year is beyond me.
They are just a bunch of delusional guys with AK 47's and a god complex.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: victor7




Instead of using $1M cruise missiles, Russia should use 1000 unguided bombs on Syrian Turkmen. Time to bring in grads and uragans on the cargo planes and pummel the Turkmen villages.


Why not just nuke them and get it over with all at once?

You do know there are more than just those who are fighting living in those villages...innocent civilians occupy it also, so killing them is okay as long as you may, or may not get all the fighters while pummeling those villages?



the problem is that all of those other people living in those villages are not sat their thinking "ooh these guys are evil, I really don't agree with their point of view"

They are living with them because they agree with them and their ideologies. They will be the future generations of nutjobs we have to contend with.

So, it's just tough luck for them. If they aren't supporting them they should have left, you make your bed and then it's you that has to lie on it.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

It's one thing if Russia starts bombing the thunder out of Turkey for no good reason. It's quite another of some Turkish forces decide they sympathize a little too much with their brothers in the struggle down in Syria and decide to shoot down a Russian jet.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Not theoretically... He doesnt need parliaments approval - period.


Your just delibratly playing dense now.










posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

I chuckled +1



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: SBargisen

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Belgianbloke

originally posted by: rigel4

Turkey #ed up ..

16 second escort... heck, this in normal circumstances this is a none event.
Why Turkey acted the way it does makes no sense.
Now if the plane was flying towards Ankara now that's another story.


Stopping the indiscriminate bombing of Turkmen civilians doesn't make sense to you ?



Technically, Russia is merely bombing terrorist. (It's how you look at it. Look at it from Russian or Syrian point of view.)
They fight the publically elected president of Syria. (Terrorism.) We in the west, or... Most... doesn't look at it like that, they see them as freedom fighters or something.


Look at the Nazis in WW2, they lost the war, so they were the badguys.
- The winners write history, not the losers.


Asad's election was a farce . Asad , like his father has turned out to be a butcher of his own people .

The whole of the existence of Syria , the minority of Syrians ruled over majority of Syrians .

In Asad's Syria , the Kurds for example were treated like donkeys and they weren't even issued Government ID's .

That is the perspective of Asad Government.

Russia supports Asad not because of Democracy and Human Rights but to save the Russian Military base in the Eastern Med .



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Not at all. I was responding to your claim where you said theoretically, which is wrong.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: crazyewok

It's one thing if Russia starts bombing the thunder out of Turkey for no good reason. It's quite another of some Turkish forces decide they sympathize a little too much with their brothers in the struggle down in Syria and decide to shoot down a Russian jet.



Exactly.

If Turkey have been doing some underhand deals with ISIS then they brought this on themselfs.

Even if its private citziens and not the goverment doing the deals, Turkey should be keeping its borders under control.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad




of course this is all unlikely.


Thank God.

A war on this scale is, or so it is to be hoped, unthinkable in this day and age of bugs and bombs.

Do those of you talking so blithely of nuking 'em 'til they glow honestly that stupid? Seriously? How many millions to satisfy your craving for blood? Hmmm?

Nuke Turkey. Nuke Syria. Hell, while we're at it, let's nuke Russia and China. What, India is still there? Nuke 'em, dammit. The US, and Europe, too. Genocide all 'round, get it while its radioactive, folks.




Step right up folks, the egress is right through that thar fireball!!



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: SBargisen

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Belgianbloke

originally posted by: rigel4

Turkey #ed up ..

16 second escort... heck, this in normal circumstances this is a none event.
Why Turkey acted the way it does makes no sense.
Now if the plane was flying towards Ankara now that's another story.


Stopping the indiscriminate bombing of Turkmen civilians doesn't make sense to you ?



Technically, Russia is merely bombing terrorist. (It's how you look at it. Look at it from Russian or Syrian point of view.)
They fight the publically elected president of Syria. (Terrorism.) We in the west, or... Most... doesn't look at it like that, they see them as freedom fighters or something.


Look at the Nazis in WW2, they lost the war, so they were the badguys.
- The winners write history, not the losers.


the minority of Syrians ruled over majority of Syrians .


It's the same all over the world, in the US, UK, Germany, etc - the rich rule the rest of us - always have, and unless there's some major changes they always will.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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How they have managed to survive this long with the world bombing them for over a year is beyond me. They are just a bunch of delusional guys with AK 47's and a god complex.


Agreed.

However, the only way for them to have any chance is to somehow pit all the other countries against each other.
That is the only way,
and that is what they are trying to do.

Hopefully Russia and Turkey realize this sooner than later.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: 23432
Germens have been covertly undermining Dollars with their Euros for sometime . Maybe Nato thought yeah here is an opportunity to break up Nato .



Non Nato protected Germens and Italians vs Non Nato protected Turks .

France will of course sell the Germens out at the end .


Well, I don't see it quite that way ... but similar.

Who hates Europe, as much as they Hate Russians and as much as they hate Germans and muslims alike.

Think about it, Europeans or Turks going against Russia ... whom does it serve? If it RHTF ... the US isn't going to do a damn thing, except help speedup the process. In the end, Europe, ME and Russia in ruins ... will mean total US domination.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: Power_Semi

and how much is putin worth... thats right about 200 billion dollars.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

in terms of bitching, i only see one bitch around here... for more than 60 pages you always say the same ####.

You neglet the higher consequence of turkey procedings: Russian are/were fighting agaisnt terrorists, turkey is not the target, russian airplanes violated turks airspace only once and for 17 seconds, in a territorial "meshed" borders (turkeys border goes inside syria in tiny place) that coud be consider a pilot's mistake.

All of that being true and/or a fact, shooting down an airplane could it be consider, IMO, an agression more serious/severe than any casual airspace violation.
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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Not at all. I was responding to your claim where you said theoretically, which is wrong.


Are you drunk?

Really lets put in another way shall we?

on PAPER yes he does have that power.

In the REAL WORLD useing that power would piss off most of parliment and the public.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: voyger2

Yes they violated turkish airspace... again... and got shot down.

Russia was in the wrong so deal with it.

ETA - this is the first time ive been called a bitch on this site by someone who doesn't matter - congrats.
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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Darkblade71

Their agenda doesn't go that far, really!
You think they are working the angle on a geo-politic level? If they can pin point Russia on the map I'd be impressed.
We are talking about kids going to Syria because they have nothing left.

They only have one agenda : Kill none Muslims. that's it.
Even if they had some guys with half a brain they would know that they can never possibly succeed at what their aiming to do.

Again, why ISIS is still around is beyond me.
Well I do believe some letter agency's are helping them but that's a different thread entirely.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

To much ordinance of to many nationalities each with their own agendas, is a recipe for a disaster, born from the chaos. Russia on the face of it is spending lives time and resources dealing with an international problem, so what the F%$^# is going on here?



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Dont care who it would piss off. He doesnt need their approval, real or theoretically.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: crazyewok

Not at all. I was responding to your claim where you said theoretically, which is wrong.


Are you drunk?

Really lets put in another way shall we?

on PAPER yes he does have that power.

In the REAL WORLD useing that power would piss off most of parliment and the public.


true but this is politics and all that matters is getting the end that they want.

So if the public are against X, but he can do it anyway without their approval, and that's the political objective, then he'll do it anyway.

Who wanted to go to war with Iraq? Over 1 million people were bothered enough to get off their backside, then they travelled to London to protest against it - we still went to war with Iraq.



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