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Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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In the unlikely case I would use facebook...

I am wondering...

Do I place a Russian or a Turkish flag over my photo?




posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

Its not in ether NATO or Russia's best interest that this incident should escalate any further, no matter who is to blame. Crap such as this is exactly what ISIS want.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: Sparkymedic
a reply to: Timely

Too little too late. The time for diplomacy has come and gone unfortunately. If diplomacy was to happen, it would have already made a pact to destroy ISIS, not bicker about border intrusions in hopes of shooting someone out of the sky someday.

I seriously hope I'm wrong.[/quote



Indeed if the lack of cooperation as per Russian requests for specified targets in a good faith offer of coalition is concerned.

But who do we believe ?

Anecdotal evidence ? Biased MSM reports ?

Or Man on the street - thin on the ground ! ...

Ugly times in which we live ...
edit on 24-11-2015 by Timely because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: ken10

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: voyger2


Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

The plane was hit by a Turkish warplane as it was travelling 1 km away from the Turkish border, Putin said. The plane posed no threat to Turkish national security, he stressed.

Putin said the plane was targeting terrorist targets in the Latakia province of Syria, many of whom came from Russia.

Russia noticed of the flow of oil from Syrian territory under the control of terrorists to Turkey, Putin said.

Apparently, IS now not only receives revenue from the smuggling of oil, but also has the protection of a nation’s military, Putin said. This may explain why the terrorist group is so bold in taking acts of terrorism across the world, he added.

The incident will have grave consequences for Russia’s relations with Turkey, Putin warned.

The fact that Turkey did not try to contact Russia in the wake of the incident and rushed to call a NATO meeting instead is worrisome, Putin said. It appears that Turkey want NATO to serve the interests of IS, he added.


Typical - Russia tries to shift blame.


I fail to see how you come to that conclusion from what was stated.


I know, very strange response.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:12 AM
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Limited ground intervention from Russia with Special Forces on the ground is not so far fetched now to say



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:12 AM
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originally posted by: voyger2
Was the Russian airplane a prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of Turkey?


originally posted by: Xcathdra
- Yes an armed foreign military aircraft violated their airspace

I don't agree with you. Russia was not a threat to peace, good order or security of Turkey, because, according to Russian president, the airplane didn't violate Turkey airspace, but most important, the airplane wasn't in Turkey arispace when it was shoot down. So who actually this is a stab on the back by turkey.


originally posted by: voyger2
Nevertheless Russian plain was shoot down in Syria airspace. Do you agree?


originally posted by: Xcathdra
Only after violating Turkish airspace.. Turkey had every right to respond.

So Turkey afterall can't use any argument threat to them because the russian airplane was in fact in syria airspace making of this only a Turkish intolerance and agression to an ongoing fight of Russia against terrorists. Who is Turkey supporting afterall? Not the fight agaisnt the terrorism, eventually they are defending them.

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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
If you violate airspace and do not respond to warnings you are a threat. End of story.


Exactly... IF, and so far there are more news reports about the plane NOT violating airspace than not.
We can end the story after we know where it happened, the whys may remain unanswered tho.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: voyger2


Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

The plane was hit by a Turkish warplane as it was travelling 1 km away from the Turkish border, Putin said. The plane posed no threat to Turkish national security, he stressed.

Putin said the plane was targeting terrorist targets in the Latakia province of Syria, many of whom came from Russia.

Russia noticed of the flow of oil from Syrian territory under the control of terrorists to Turkey, Putin said.

Apparently, IS now not only receives revenue from the smuggling of oil, but also has the protection of a nation’s military, Putin said. This may explain why the terrorist group is so bold in taking acts of terrorism across the world, he added.

The incident will have grave consequences for Russia’s relations with Turkey, Putin warned.

The fact that Turkey did not try to contact Russia in the wake of the incident and rushed to call a NATO meeting instead is worrisome, Putin said. It appears that Turkey want NATO to serve the interests of IS, he added.


Typical - Russia tries to shift blame.


Seriously? Then who do YOU think is buying the ISIS oil? It clearly isn't Russia, seeing as they have tonnes of videos showing them destroying their facilities.

Why are you so butt hurt about the Russians? It really makes you look like an idiot who has blinders on and only sees the world in one light. And I know you aren't an idiot.

I'm not saying they didn't violate Turkish airspace - I'm saying that both parties have failed in conducting themselves accordingly. The Turkish attitude, while legal, is still irresponsible. Russia was not attacking Turkey. Unless of course Turkey is harboring ISIS. If that's the case, well...F#@K Turkey!

Russia, yeah, they had it coming! Like you said, they were warned. Both sides are idiots for letting this happen. But I think one side wanted it to happen.

However, tell me who is buying or smuggling ISIS weapons and oil and I'll leave Turkey alone.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: Laxus
Limited ground intervention from Russia with Special Forces on the ground is not so far fetched now to say


At this point we should hope those troups get deployed in Syria and not in Turkey.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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Twitter has to be the worst (or best) place for doom porn, lol... World War III is now trending???


edit on 24/11/15 by HumanPLC because: (no reason given)

edit on 24/11/15 by HumanPLC because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: AlphaPred
My sources are confirming the jet came down inside Syria a substantial distance from the border
The captured pilot is apparently being well looked after, drinking tea and tearing bread
At least for now anyway, until local interested parties turn up


Well your sources are at odds with official sources who are all reporting that one pilot is dead and the other is on the run in a hostile area. Time to get new sources methinks...



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: Hellas

Could be the undoing of NATO ... big call...

Big stakes - are they a defunct toothless tiger ... ?

Big penalties if they get it wrong ... !



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:19 AM
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I almost get the feeling turkey wanted videos of these pilots bodies being shown in the media :-/ as up to now Russia has been very lucky to not get any casualties

I spose the bearded brigade surrounding the dead pilots bodies are our friendly freedom fighters,nice to see western backing and training flourish in Syria

Russia should increase it's actions in Syria and also expand to arrest or eliminate the financial string pullers and backers of Isis no matter their nationality or security clearance



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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If the Russians are saying "apparently coming under fire from the ground", it seems that their short-term reaction is to play down any grounds of indignation against Turkey.
I suggest they are not currently looking for a fight with Turkey, and would regard a quarrel as an undesirable complication.


Well, we all know that Turkey with that pro islamic government and especially president, has been a supporter of ISIS and it's fighters. All the recruiting of the new fighters coming from European countries happens in Turkey, smuggling of weapons and the people happens in Turkey, the huge wave of refuges was dumped into Europe from Turkey...No surprise here. They are in the same bed with ISIS and NATO should take a better look into this and kick this rats out. Especially when they make their stance pretty clear:


Turkey Threatened Putin ‘Stop Bombing ISIS’ Days Before Jet Shoot Down

$800,000,000 worth of ISIS oil has been sold in Turkey, a supposed U.S. ally. ISIS trucks are routinely allowed to cross back and forth between the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa and Turkey.

As Nafeez Ahmed documents, a large cache of intelligence recovered from a raid on an ISIS safehouse this summer confirms that “direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members was now ‘undeniable.’”

The senior western official who made this revelation also added that Turkey is allied with Ahrar al-Sham and Jabhat al-Nusra, two Al-Qaeda offshoots in Turkey who are fighting to topple Assad.


www.infowars.com...



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

Yes an armed foreign military aircraft violated their airspace - an incident that comes on the heels of other incidents where russia violated turkish airspace.



They didn't violate turkish airspace ... this is Turkey responding to the past days intensified bombing at the Turkish border, where Russians were targeting supply routes.

This also plays into the US senators comments, where he wanted to see a Russian fighter shot down.

It calls for a "serious" reply, and I for one hope the Russians aren't going to play the game "escalate, one ladder at a time". But instead, draw the line in the sand and make it clear ... as this isn't about "Turkey", it's about the supply routes. And unless those are destroyed, Russia might as well give up and go home.

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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: Timely

Yes, NATO should now be disbanded. As well as the EU. It's all a sad pathetic joke from the Cold War era. It wasn't all that long ago that people were talking about how the Cold War was a very real thing of the past. Apparently in the West's eyes, it was never a thing of the past.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: voyger2

Its not relevant. Russia violated their airspace after being warned what would happen if they did.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:23 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

The radar track shows it violated turkish airspace. If russia didnt then there would be no need for putin to talk about not being a threat to turkish security.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:23 AM
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Cover your bets. Place both


originally posted by: Dumbass
In the unlikely case I would use facebook...

I am wondering...

Do I place a Russian or a Turkish flag over my photo?



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 07:24 AM
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As much as I am pro west I have been in favor of Russian action in Syria. Keeping assad in action is the best option given that he is a secular ruler. I have my doubts as to the specifics in this story. Considering much of the fighting is near the boarder I would expect there to be limited air space intrusions. Part of me hopes Russia responds with limited force. When it comes to ISIS I think the Russians are the heroes and should be given wiggle room.



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