Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

a reply to: Obi88

LMAO, thanks...

a reply to: Xcathdra

Perhaps they felt that being in Syrian airspace they had no reason to answer to the Turks ?

This is the pressumed Turkish radar image of the flight path of the two russian SU24s.

turkey needs sanctions against it immediately things have changed in turkey
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and now the russian plane and the two journalist's that came under fire.
turkey are not who they appear to be.

a reply to: asen_y2k

The radar image it's very elucidative of Turkish intolerance and agression to an ongoing fight of Russia against terrorists. Who is Turkey supporting afterall? Not the fight agaisnt the terrorism, eventually they are defending them.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk
Russia, in either version, should have responded to warnings.

Oh, that part. Yes. When someone warns you that you are in their airspace the natural response is no I am not, not ignoring them. Russia does not deny they were warned about being in Turkish airspace. So in both versions Turkey said "you are in our airspace".

And back to my question. If they were in Syrian airspace, is it obligatory to respond to Turkey?

Obligatory? No. Smart? Yes. If someone claims I am doing something wrong, that I have been caught doing before, and I am not it's fairly stupid to keep going and ignoring them.

If I trespass on someone's property and they have caught me doing it, and they run up to me saying I am doing it again and ask why I am there holding a gun to my head it's very idiotic to ignore him and keep walking when I am a few steps off his property. Since I am not an idiot, I would say I am not on your property and I have no intention of entering it.

Thanks.

Obligatory - No.

No one said it was obligatory in both scenarios. I said it was obligatory in the first, and common sense and should have been done in either. So I fail to see what the point of all that was.

The question was "is it obligatory for Russia to respond to Turkey if Russia was in Syrian airspace" the answer is "no", common sense means nothing. That's the point. Quite a strong point.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Can manpads reach 6000 meters / 3.728 miles / 19,683 feet?

originally posted by: Timely
a reply to: Xcathdra

Perhaps they felt that being in Syrian airspace they had no reason to answer to the Turks ?

If we look at the flight tracking you can scratch that off your list.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Shoulder-fired SAMs generally have a target detection range of about 10 km (6 mi) and an engagement range of about 6 km (4 mi), so aircraft flying at 6,100 metres (20,000 ft) or higher are relatively safe.[6] However, the FIM-92 Stinger (1996 version) has a range of 26,000 feet.

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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: asen_y2k

That it violated Turkish airspace?

Yes it violated Turkish airspace and was shot while it was inside Syria.

a reply to: Timely

The video shows a hit and then steep dive with no flight control.

a reply to: asen_y2k

If that data is correct then clearly Turkey deserves retaliation, although it would be better for all involved if that didn't actually happen.

It's no secret that I am not a fan of Putin or the actions of Russia in recent years, but that data is undeniable. Turkey were wrong, they basically shot a man in the back for walking across their lawn five minutes ago.

The plane was already out of Turkish airspace and they attacked it anyway.

But, if Russia is now sticking to this being a rebel firing a Manpad then what does that say? To me it looks like Russia is trying to deescalate this because it doesn't want to be confronting NATO.

Either way, whether they're lying about their fighters being responsible or not, I think Turkey as a member of NATO should be done. We cannot back a member firing indiscriminatingly at anyone who comes close, or claiming that they have when they haven't. They are irresponsible and reckless, with an extremely suspicious agenda.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Timely
a reply to: Xcathdra

Perhaps they felt that being in Syrian airspace they had no reason to answer to the Turks ?

If we look at the flight tracking you can scratch that off your list.

It was shot outside of Turkey... You could argue the Russians listened, left and proceeded to be blown out the sky.

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: asen_y2k

That it violated Turkish airspace?

Yes it violated Turkish airspace and was shot while it was inside Syria.

Then the shootdown was valid. Turkey made it very clear the last time Russia violated its airspace. If Russia is using top of the line technology they should know where they are at.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Rocker2013

Can manpads reach 6000 meters / 3.728 miles / 19,683 feet?

Turkey confirmed that it used 2 F-16s to shoot down the SU-24. Russia is trying to save the situation by saying the plane may have been shot down from the ground. But Turkey vehemently claiming responsibility is not helping.

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: asen_y2k

That it violated Turkish airspace?

Yes it violated Turkish airspace and was shot while it was inside Syria.

Were the F-16 inside Syrian airspace when they shot the SU24 Down?

a reply to: asen_y2k

Shot in the back?

Not met front on.

Regards,

Bally.

a reply to: angryhulk

Yet they still violated Turkish airspace did they not?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: asen_y2k

That it violated Turkish airspace?

Yes it violated Turkish airspace and was shot while it was inside Syria.

Were the F-16 inside Syrian airspace when they shot the SU24 Down?

The radar track published by Turkey does not show that. Check it out.

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: asen_y2k

That it violated Turkish airspace?

Yes it violated Turkish airspace and was shot while it was inside Syria.

Exactly ... threat no longer there.

How long would the fly past of that poofteenth of Turkey taken ... ?