Elistist people really get my goat.

Hmm. Is it true you have to sacrifice most of your intelligence and wisdom to become an elitist ? Look around. I do believe that would be a fact.(i.e. you take a -10 hit to both Int and Wis to get a +1 in Cha)

Thing is society is backwards we reward the guys who ruin others lives to make a buck and pay the ones who do a good moral job peanuts.
Capitalism I suppose.

originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: boymonkey74

I forget where I first heard this, but I've carried it with me for what seems like forever. "Never ask someone to do something that you, yourself haven't done before or wouldn't be willing to do."

That has been my work ethic when I was a manager. Will still be so when I get my promotion to acting team leader.

originally posted by: boymonkey74

originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: boymonkey74

I forget where I first heard this, but I've carried it with me for what seems like forever. "Never ask someone to do something that you, yourself haven't done before or wouldn't be willing to do."

That has been my work ethic when I was a manager. Will still be so when I get my promotion to acting team leader.

Everyone is different and learns different lessons from their personal experiences. For me, I started working when I was 10 years old delivering newspapers, then throughout high school I did (almost) it all. Supermarket cashier, cook in a chinese restaurant, pizza delivery. Even at the start of what would be my career I was essentially a photo-copy guy and errand runner. My point is, it's easier to appreciate some things when you've been there.

Disclaimer: The aforementioned is not meant to imply anything about some of the minimum wage hoopla that has been going on lately.

a reply to: boymonkey74

If you disdain capitalism, you disdain humanity, why is the natural order of things so repulsive to you?

Is it perhaps because....you wish to be something greater than man?

Lastly, why don't you tell us what it is you deserve that you aren't getting from your fellows in this great society of ours.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

There may well be remnants of the cursed legions within my genome, however the bulk of my ancestry is to be found within the valleys of Wales.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I really know how you feel and sympathize with you and others going through
the same thing. People with low-paying jobs will be replaced with robots.
Another sign of " Welcome To The New World Order"!

a reply to: boymonkey74
They should ask those Doctors and Surgeons that have given up their practices and have become Plumbers, Chefs, Restaurant owners, and other service jobs providers.

They get to take home more money, they don't work as many hours, and they can walk away from the costumer that thinks them less than.

a reply to: FamCore

About that pic you posted... perfect. Absolutely perfect.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

There may well be remnants of the cursed legions within my genome, however the bulk of my ancestry is to be found within the valleys of Wales.

I meant no offense, this mongrel has roots to the emerald isle.

a reply to: VictoriaCromwell

What do we deserve? Respect for a job well done and not being looked down upon from others.
I don't mind at all If someone works hard and has the opportunity to get a great job I wish them all the luck in the world and am glad we have folk who are well trained (not that Iam not) in their profession but when people look down on others because of the job they do because they have a better job or is just rich..well it gets me goat up.

originally posted by: VictoriaCromwell
a reply to: boymonkey74

If you disdain capitalism, you disdain humanity, why is the natural order of things so repulsive to you?

Is it perhaps because....you wish to be something greater than man?

Lastly, why don't you tell us what it is you deserve that you aren't getting from your fellows in this great society of ours.

Believe it or not there was a time where capitalism didn't make the world go round.

Smiths traded with miners who in turn traded with farmers who in turn provided food for the community. It was a simpler time where goods and services where exchanged fairly. Now we have portfolios, property investments, blue chips, brokers, market forecasters, Wall street, Hang Seng..All revolved around money that is never seen.

There has to be a better way.

a reply to: VictoriaCromwell

Also I think social capitalism is the way forward.

en.wikipedia.org...:_a_new_name_from_an_old_idea

originally posted by: boymonkey74

Just gets me goat up when I hear or see elitism, you can bet many of these elitists have not been hungry or worried about bills so the next person I hear going off on an ignorant rant about people on low income being dregs of society...I will write a very angry letter!.

Beautiful rant and I agree whole-heartedly

Here's a story to warm your cockles... or just to amuse you...

My husband is an engineer by degree, but a hydraulics specialist by trade. Not minimum wage, but definitely not elitist either! He can fix, design or fabricate just about anything, and he loves what he does. He was once asked to do a side job (on a Saturday), at a private residence with some old hydraulic equipment. This guy had already been told that his equipment was obsolete, and advised to replace it with new equipment, but he refused. So they asked my hubby to go out and see what he could do with it; my hubby hasn't worked in service for years, but said he'd give it a shot. My hubby is very slow, methodical and thorough in his work... and he absolutely hates anyone watching over his shoulder. But that's exactly what this guy did, making insulting and belittling comments the whole time. But when he told my hubby that a trained monkey could do a better job than him, my hubby had enough. He put everything back together exactly the way it was, gathered up his tools and left... without saying one word to the guy. This guy went apoplectic, yelling at my husband as he drove away, telling my hubby that he was going to have his job, etc.

What this guy didn't know was that my hubby was his only hope. No one else knew how to work on equipment that old. This guy did in fact try to get my hubby fired -- to no avail. And my hubby refused to return to finish the job. So this guy ended up having to spend thousands of dollars (probably over $10,000) to replace his equipment... which actually worked out better in the end for my hubby's employer -- obviously!

Just remember the Peasants Rebellion of the 14th century. This too shall pass. And when the SHTF, it's going to be these "dregs of society" who have real skills that rule the day... as the elitists rue their fate.

a reply to: boymonkey74

...but when people look down on others because of the job they do because they have a better job or is just rich..well it gets me goat up.

There are no unimportant jobs in a properly run business, and a good manager knows this and values every employee, regardless of the skill level required to get the job done right.

The cleaning crew has one of the most important jobs in any business, and should be highly valued, as the quality of their work is what is going to have the most impact on anyone that walks through the doors. Maintenance workers, landscapers; how less important is their work to any business that wishes to be successful?

This new societal acceptance of superiority over others, is catapulting us right over the edge, and by isolating everyone that might save us, leaves us to crash with no hope of a parachute.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I see.

I certainly wouldn't begrudge you that at all. The world has a great need for its waiters, plumbers, mechanics, and cashiers alike. Anyone who looks down upon professions such as that, ought to try it themselves.

Simply put, I cannot bear people who would look at said plumber, who put in years of hard work, built a company of his own, and so happened to greatly improve his position in life, perhaps even becoming a millionaire in the process, and say he doesn't deserve what he has.

I would say the same for even movie stars, oftentimes they agonize over what they do. They have talent (society seems to think so, anyway), and they're paid what their customers determine they are worth. Not a quid less.

I think I get what you're saying though, there's plenty of well off collegiate knobs who think they know the secrets of the universe and s**t gold simply because they went to university and have a decent paycheck, see if they know how to rebuild a transmission or wire a lamp.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Well, I must say I'm not particularly hung up on the concept of fiat, gold, beads, seashells, or even bottle caps as money.

Capital can be many things, it can be effort, intelligence, talent, or brute hard work. If you have one of these, a healthy economy will value your efforts, if you lack them all, it most certainly will not.

Even in times past, when economies worked more on bartering commodities and services than through the intermediary of cash, there were those whose service were more valued than others, and that is what I mean when I say uneven distribution or resources is the natural state of things.

I'm not saying the hunter who brought back the caribou is better, or that he is morally more valuable per se than the other cavemen who brought back a few berries, but there's a reason the cave valued his efforts more.

It's a stupid comment. One has to start at the bottom to reach the top.

With a minimum wage job you're earning experience of hard graft. I respect someone who's worked from the bottom up.

Plus after a certain level of wealth you need the minimum wage workers to keep you rich.

Whoever said that must not have been thinking.

a reply to: and14263

It's a stupid comment. One has to start at the bottom to reach the top.

I think this is part of the problem. We have large numbers entering the work force that have never worked at anything before, and has had everything handed to them. In a lot of cases they are still wards of their parents and expect everyone to think of them as different and special. After all their parents have been telling them that since they were born. They believe it. They have their own set of rules and feel they don't have to follow any other rules but their own.

Add to the mix the social network they are all entangled in. The social network comes with virtual rules for behavior and lots of drama. They choose to live in the perpetual spotlight where they are always the star. Their primary goal is to obtain the highest number of "Likes" as they think this validates them. They take living their life on stage as a norm and is expected.

I guess Shakespeare knew what he was talking about when he wrote - "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players:"

originally posted by: eluryh22
"Never ask someone to do something that you, yourself haven't done before or wouldn't be willing to do."

I kind of disagree...but these are questions employers should ask themselves before defining a salary.

Imagine if the highest payed work would be the jobs less people actually want to do!
Boymonkey74, you'd be rich!