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Think low wage earners getting replaced by machines is a good thing?

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posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: onequestion

But... those jobs are still gone. In the long run, I do think that is a good thing. We are entering a post-employment economy and the sooner we realize that and adapt to it, the better.

In the future, high unemployment rates will be the mark of a successful and booming economy.


It's always been a wonder that the ideal of human desire is to work forever and be miserable for 5/7ths of the week.




posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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People used to wash their clothing on a rock next to a river ... some still do.

If machines can replace the drudgery of daily life's so be it
However much depends on the mind set of people regarding so called progress

If such progress does not take into account the needs of all people then it is flawed

Human Beings are not machines ... though some employment fails to make that distinction

There is enough for all ... only the will is lacking
And Yes ... Corruption and greed for power and wealth is a spectre which requires banishing



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

One method of escaping the drudgery of this existence is to re-learn how to enjoy the simpler things in life.

Not requiring the acquisition of useless junk one must take out a loan to acquire is a step in the right direction, but that does the opposite of fixing the economy....

The economy cannot be fixed, it must be changed somehow.

I don't know what it needs to be changed to as the thing that would work probably doesn't yet exist.

Something resembling the dreaded "Socialist Ideology" would probably work better than this does.

That must be why those who would no longer reap immense profits from something resembling Socialism influence everyone that it would be a bad thing.

Projects which benefit the people always operate at a loss to someone, maybe it's just "their" math...but I feel that having a less stressed out populace would be much better than having a stressed one which keeps causing the weaker minded of us to run out and buy a gun or other weapon and head out on a shooting spree, trying to vent the agony of this pitiful and evil world.

Evil doesn't just exist, it is made in a factory.
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posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
a reply to: Krazysh0t

One method of escaping the drudgery of this existence is to re-learn how to enjoy the simpler things in life.

Not requiring the acquisition of useless junk one must take out a loan to acquire is a step in the right direction, but that does the opposite of fixing the economy....


Yea, that's how I get by. Music is my passion in that regard. Though buying new instruments and instrument parts can be expensive, but that is an infrequent purchase. Other than that it's 100% free way to pass the time.


The economy cannot be fixed, it must be changed somehow.

I don't know what it needs to be changed to as the thing that would work probably doesn't yet exist.

Something resembling the dreaded "Socialist Ideology" would probably work better than this does.

That must be why those who would no longer reap immense profits from something resembling Socialism influence everyone that it would be a bad thing.

Projects which benefit the people always operate at a loss to someone, maybe it's just "their" math...but I feel that having a less stressed out populace would be much better than having a stressed one which keeps causing the weaker minded of us to run out and buy a gun or other weapon and head out on a shooting spree, trying to vent the agony of this pitiful and evil world.

Evil doesn't just exist, it is made in a factory.


Definitely needs to be something different. That's for sure. Though I don't necessarily think there will ever be an economy with zero jobs. There's always something new to be built or invented. Plus as long as AI isn't perfected, there will just be things that robots can't do.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 08:31 AM
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Don't understand the OP's rant. There have always been programs to educate people for work, most of these are at the state level. In fact K-12 is a state-sponsored education program. But don't worry OP, there will always be plenty of uneducated dregs who buck the system and remain stubbornly, woefully unskilled for those minimum wage jobs (or more likely to pad out the welfare roles).



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Blackmarketeer




there will always be plenty of uneducated dregs


You mean "dregs" such as Leonardo Da Vinci who never received formal education
Or dregs that refuse to do soul destroying jobs
Or dregs that refuse to be brain washed

Or perhaps you mean people ... if not to who do you refer


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posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: fartlordsupreme
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Really? not a hard Jjob just a gross one? well are you the ignorant one.
Why do you think it has around a 90% drop out rate? it is because it is very hard and If you cock up you could harm your service users, we get assaulted everyday and have to use restraining techniques all thetime while being bit spat on hit with fire extinguishers and you think it is an easy Job?.
Pfft you wouldn't last a morning.

Oh and BS people would not like a robot to help them with personal care in my place it would be destroyed in half an hour.

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posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Dregs of society? how very dare you.



Many people can not afford higher education and have events in their life which they can not change. We are all cogs in the wheel and you want to be an elitist prick and call people on the lower scael of the job market "dregs" well without these "dregs " society would ground to a halt.
Have a little more respect for others and what hard work they do and open your eyes and grow up.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:13 AM
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Our company is phasing out the cafeteria workers. They have a caterer that stocks the place and fills the shelves. It's self checkout. A woman laughed because someone got fired for stealing lunch her defense was they should have 3-4 people working instead of self serve. The company's defense they save $800 or more a day on labor they ca afford to lose a few dollars.

Makes sense to me




posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

You and others like you do a most difficult and demanding job as you have described ... which no machine could replicate ... unless it was programmed to care and understand those it cared for ... machines lack real empathy ... such empathy is what makes us Human ...

I know the work you do and that at times it can be thankless ... but I and many others do thank you



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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Speaking of low wage deservers my intern just walked in. Supposed to be here at 7AM it's nearly 10:30. The first thing out of his mouth is he needs to leave early. I told him OK but haven't mentioned he's done in 3 weeks and I have been interviewing his replacement. He makes $23.63 an hour and can't get out of bed 3 out of 5 days a week. So he's gone. Maybe he'll like minimum wage better




posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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Their is no problems with technological advancement unless society can't adjust to change.
The problem is capitalism.

Capitalism's been good for a while but the changes humanity had in the last 50 years as made it less and less relevant. It's a sign of evolution to have a population not forced to work 40 hours a week to survive.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: mikell

Blimey low wage lol.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: artistpoet

I don't know if machines are incapable of the job of being caregivers. I know a lot of the robotics demos I have seen coming from Japan are being specifically designed for elder care.

These are a few





Hopefully we wont get a killer bot like in Roujin Z.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: mikell

You are hardly paying a fortune ... I have walked away from highly paid for work because the employer was an ass ... money is not everything.

However ... One binds oneself with certain rules or arrangements when entering into or offering work.
As such you do have the right to dismiss those who fail to live up to your rules ...

But there is no need to take side swipe at those who earn less than you offer ... there are those who give of themselves in the service of others who receive very little financial reward ...



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: NihilistSanta

Good point and point taken ... It is the Human Mind that creates such machines they reflect the Human mind itself
As do bombs unfortunately
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posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: FyreByrd

Your not going to lose it its just going to become less valuable as more people gain your skill set.

It's a game of inevitability as probable outcomes eventually become someone gaining your skill set.

Your not that unique trust me.


Thank you for clarifying - sounding more like yourself.

I'm picking up a sub-text that is very relevant to our working (???) population. A recent study did make note of the shocking uptic in suicide among middle aged, middle class that cite many factors;

www.cdc.gov...

However when it comes to young men (those under 35) the factors are probably somewhat different and more related to age rather then circumstance. As you say the even the traditional entry to the workforce jobs are being automated and have larger pools to draw from which is largely a result of population increase without an increase in demand. Many of those jobs, stables of yesteryear (bagging goceries, pumping gas, paper routes, mowing local lawns) are all but gone.

The trades are still a good bet but it requires a lot of hussle to get in the door. And the ever increasing 'gig' economy requires a lot of hussle, scheduling expertize and customer service skills - a lot of balls to jugle to make ends meet.

My particular skill set(s) are being off-shored quite a bit but most companies are finding that un-satisfactory in the long term and returning to local native speakers but it does require a fair amount of education and experience to find non entry-level work.

The point being, yes our society needs to address this problem - as it did during the depression of the thirties - but until we do - the only thing that going to help is perserverance and willingness to do whatever it is that someone will pay you to do (within legal and moral limits of course). Once you get a job - any job - do it to the best of your ability and - and continue to look for work. Best thing my Daddy ever taught me (well one of them) was to always be looking for work even when you've got a great job that you love, always look and talk to people about the 'next' job.

I've known and know people who expect jobs to come to them and in days past jobs sometimes did but not any more you have to find them. My ex was one who throughout life people just found him jobs - when he was laid-off - he was unable to find work because he didn't know how to find it - the crises hit - he lost it - and eventually left me to move in with a woman who found him a job abandoning his family because he couldn't do it himself - and wouldn't let me help him do it himself. A real eye openner for me.

It's hard out there and their are solutions - as in the thirties - but they don't set well with the 'self-made' libertarian ethos of our self-centered society.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: artistpoet

Nearly $25 an hour for a high school grad 20 years old is not too dang bad here. But he hadn't made a 40 hour week in the last 3 months I don't think. if I request you to be there at a certain time and your not over and over again well thats too bad.




posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: mikell

Yes fair play ...
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posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

I would rather place my order at a kiosk with a robot making my food than have to get pissed off at another booger eating high school dropout that can't even make a cheese burger right. These clowns wan't $15 an hour LOL
Minimum skills = minimum wages.



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