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Trump Supporters Shut Down "Black Lives Matter " protester in Alabama

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posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
If they paid their way in sure, but then you could have them escorted off the property.
Not saying they can force their way in to protest no.


Okay, then, we seem to be on the same page.




posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Bernie let them, he wasn't silenced. He choose to let them say what they wanted to say.




When BLM or any so-called protestor goes so far to protest that they actively keep others from speaking, particularly in a political manner, then how can you balance the right to protest with the right to free speech?


So as long as some one else is talking no one should be allowed to protest?
Don't think that is how it works.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: ketsuko

So this one man kept Trump from speaking? All Trump had to do was ignore him while his security team whisked him away, but Trump loves drama.


I was responding to another poster's response that protest is a right, and I am referring to the growing pattern of using the umbrella of "right to protest" to actively disrupt the event and attempt to shut down any speaker with whom you disagree. Unless you haven't been paying attention, BLM is only taking pages out of book that is much longer, they are only the latest chapter.

I referred to Trump's response earlier as the proper one. People who seek to do this in an attempt to stop a speaker should be thrown out. It is inappropriate to use protest as a means of censorship.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Bernie let them, he wasn't silenced. He choose to let them say what they wanted to say.




When BLM or any so-called protestor goes so far to protest that they actively keep others from speaking, particularly in a political manner, then how can you balance the right to protest with the right to free speech?


So as long as some one else is talking no one should be allowed to protest?
Don't think that is how it works.


Uh-huh ...



Keep telling yourself that ...

Looks a lot like he chose to let them speak ...

This isn't how it should work, and he should have basically treated them like Trump did. Because, as they so ably scream themselves, they aren't reasonable.
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posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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Its unfortunate that it was in Alabama so the people attacking the guy are red neck as hell but I think this may have happened like this anywhere


Why is it unfortunate? Are rednecks some species of sub-human around here? It astounds me to see all of these race threads where the OP goes outta their way to show how they aren't racist to blacks but any other group of people its totally OK to bash on as long as they aren't a different color. You're still judging and assigning a label with statements like this.

Its like all of these threads where the OP will talk about how the President is just a figurehead and the world is screwed up because it is really run by (insert name of favorite secret society here) then in the same paragraph they go on to blame Obama for everything!

Oh and also those indentions in the words above are paragraphs which your OP could desperately use.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Didn't they jump onto his stage, well platform? Did Sanders tell his security or supporters to get them the hell out? Did he let them speak? Then he gave them his response? Did any Sander supporters attack them?

One man at this Trump rally was no where near Trump and his microphone.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: ketsuko

Didn't they jump onto his stage, well platform? Did Sanders tell his security or supporters to get them the hell out? Did he let them speak? Then he gave them his response? Did any Sander supporters attack them?

One man at this Trump rally was no where near Trump and his microphone.


And if they had come with a weapon and attacked Bernie what would everyone be saying? There is a reason why you have security at these things.

People who use these tactics have a history of throwing things at people on the stage when they rush the stage to stop the speaker from talking. You just aren't familiar with it.

This is basically censorship. The speaker does not address what the protestors want them to, so they prevent the speaker from speaking at all. It is not standing in the hall with signs. It is not marching outside the venue with chants and signs. It is actively preventing civil discourse in favor of only allowing the protestors' POV to be aired. It is delegitimization of speech in the extreme.

That people here defend it I find disturbing.
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posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

What makes you think this lone man was trying to stop Trump from speaking? You're just assuming. Perhaps he was just getting his message out. I'm sure he knew he would be escorted out as soon as he began his chant, you know since he was all alone. Looks like you're just trying to defend Trump by assuming this BLM protester solo purpose was to somehow shut down Trump's rally, which would be rather difficult since the Secret Service has to protect Trump because he's making enemies with his messages of ignorance.
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posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Sanders should have told them to get the hell out? Sanders is for the people and more importantly, has been an advocate of civil rights, namely black lives, so of course it would have been against his character to act like Trump.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Oh we can play the "what if" game all day but protesters aren't bringing weapons to a protest. If they did they aren't protesters, they're terrorists.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: ketsuko

Sanders should have told them to get the hell out? Sanders is for the people and more importantly, has been an advocate of civil rights, namely black lives, so of course it would have been against his character to act like Trump.


Off his stage? Yes.

It was blatantly obvious they were not expected and not interested in anything Bernie had to say, only in shutting him up. You cannot have a discourse with that only bow to it.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: Monger

I watched the videos and did not see any of the attendees punching the alleged victim.

The only person I clearly saw swinging was the violent protester.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: Foderalover

I pulled this out of the wall of text

STOP REFERRING TO OBAMA AND HILARY AS LIBERALS, that they are NOT LIBERALS, IM A LIBERAL, THEY ARE JUST IDIOTS PANDERING FOR VOTES


Barring the idiot part, I agree. And that they 'play' the part so well that so many conservatives believe them to be socialists and communists demonstrates to me, time and time again just how blind so many can be.

And I agree, this is a RANT, but, a good one. Thanks.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Clearly you don't know the kind of man Sanders is and neither did these two women who took up the banner of BLM but really aren't associated with the group. Their group is called Outside Agitators 206.

www.politicususa.com...


Black Lives Matter wants the two women who shut down a Bernie Sanders event in Seattle on Saturday to publicly apologize to the Senator and Presidential Candidate.





In other words, there is an organization called Black Lives Matter. However, it’s also a rallying call for all sorts of groups who are seeking a variety of political objectives using a variety of approaches. For example the real BLM wants to work within the political system. Yes, they have demands and they want action. The group that Johnson and Willaford associate with has a very different approach and agenda.

The group is called Outside Agitators 206. Simply put, OA 206 wants to take the state apart and put it back together again as they want it.

These groups are not working together nor are they the same group even if individuals within them might support both groups.

OA is not on the list of endorsing organizations on the Black Lives Matter website.


Now I wonder if this lone black man at Trumps rally was apart of BLM or just a man taking up the cause?



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Then watch again, I posted it on the first page.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I am defending protesting, you are creating the extreme that it is a censorship.

In your scenario no one can protest if someone else is talking, that isn't how it works.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Deny Arrogance

Then watch again, I posted it on the first page.


That is exactly the video I was reffering to. The violent protester takes a swing @0:30.

Other than that I see nobody else punching and swinging.

Please post the exact moments that YOU see what YOU allege.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: Foderalover

Considering the hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination, I'd be angry too. And lets not forget all the peace loving muslims and law abiding migrants that have been painted with the same brush for years; they have a right to be angry too.

I don't agree with religious zealots or their beliefs but I do stop short of calling followers of a certain faith retarded-that is the kind of Krusty brand logic that will continue to divide us. Be anti PC all you want but there is a difference between being anti PC and being an @$$hole.

how have 'hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination' affected a bunch of 20-year-olds? black and white attend the same schools, live in the same neighborhoods, etc.
as for peace-loving muslims, where in the US are they being persecuted or suffering hate crimes? A mosque in Tennessee is infinitely safer than a mosque just about anywhere else in the world. what, someone is offended because somebody gives them a dirty look after Paris gets bombed? waa. if the US is so bad go back to sand country.


Muse 7
So we have Ben Carson comparing refugees to dogs and now Trump supporters beating down black protesters. Glad to see the Republican Party reaching out to minorities.


gosh, the Republicans are so racist that Dr. Ben Carson is only in second place. meanwhile the democrat primary consists of three rich liberal white lawyers.
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posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

If the protest shuts down the speaker, then the protest isn't a protest anymore IMO but something else and more insidious.

I'm not saying you can't protest the speaker, but when the intent of the so-called protest is to so disrupt the speaker that event cannot proceed and only one side is heard, then the intent of free speech and protest are both corrupted out of their original intent.

I know a lot of people sympathize with BLM. So try a thought exercise. Imagine if Bernie's Seattle event had been disrupted by a lot of anti-socialism protesters who stormed the stage and so disrupted the event that Bernie was pushed back on the stage and they were able to grab the microphone and more or less make sure that only their views were heard.

That is not the intent of protest.

In order to have free speech, Bernie needs to say what he created the venue to say. In order to protest, BLM need to have the freedom to have their protest. But that wasn't what happened. What we saw was one side overwhelming the other.

And what the BLM guy attempted in Alabama was the same. Now, we can argue whether or not Trump had the right to have a heckler thrown out of his venue or not. But if the response of his crowd was any indication, it might have been wise for him to do so to prevent a larger incident. Was there anyone preventing the BLM people from creating a protest outside the venue? If not, then was their free speech and protest right truly taken away?



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

How do you miss the man coming out of nowhere throwing a punch, getting in a kick, all the while keeping his hands up as if he's ready to go fisticuffs? The protester of course would look ready to fight and that's because he's being attacked. I guess you're only gonna see what you want.

Here's another video, thinkprogress.org...

Even Trump owns that the protester was roughed up.

Trump on rally protester: ‘Maybe he should have been roughed up’



BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Donald Trump said Sunday that the protester who interrupted his rally at a convention center here on Saturday morning was “so obnoxious and so loud” that “maybe he should have been roughed up.”

Mercutio Southall Jr. — a well-known local activist who has been repeatedly arrested while fighting what he says is unfair treatment of blacks — interrupted Trump’s rally and could be heard shouting, “Black lives matter!” A fight broke out, prompting Trump to briefly halt his remarks and demand the removal of Southall.

“Get him the hell out of here, will you, please?” Trump said on Saturday morning. “Get him out of here. Throw him out!”

At one point, Southall fell to the ground and was surrounded by several white men who appeared to be kicking and punching him, according to video captured by CNN. A Washington Post reporter in the crowd watched as one of the men put his hands on Southall’s neck and heard a female onlooker repeatedly shout: “Don’t choke him!”

As security officers got Southall on his feet and led him out of the building, he was repeatedly pushed and shoved by people in the crowd. The crowd alternated between booing and cheering. There were chants of “All lives matter!”



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