Our Military will choose the right side

a reply to: watchitburn

Truth.

But I know a few LEO's in real life, and most would never turn on the people as a whole.

a reply to: seagull

That's good to hear.

It sounds like the biggest threat to the country then would be our youth marching around college campuses too busy being offended to notice the bloated corrupt madness of the Govt.

a reply to: madenusa

Dont forget to add this to the list - HR 1955 "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act"



All the "toys" are ready to be used, and we know "boys like to use their toys".
Wanna play Orwells game? Tip toe, tip toe, gotcha!

I think, and its only my opinion, that most will follow orders, what ever they are.
Most will not want to, but because of loyalty/patriotism to their mates, indoctrination, fear of disciplinary action and the like, when push comes to shove, orders will be followed.
And when they meet resistance (especially violent or threatening), cause it will happen sooner or later, muscle memory and training will take over and then.....Herd mentality???.Civil war??????
Sympathizers, deserters, and rebels is what the rest will be.
They would be hunted, demonised, ostracized and made an example of to instill fear and reinforce/force loyalty upon the rest.
Then the rest will tow the line out of fear of their masters.

But I might/hope I am completely and utterly wrong, cause WTF do I know. Ive never been a soldier...

Do you mean the military that is being taken over by Christian Fundamentalists?

www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org...

Check out the documentary "The Sword of Constantine"

originally posted by: madenusa

All due process will soon be gone. The NDAA will allow the administration the “legal” right to secretly remove any burgeoning leadership of citizen opposition forces.
The second provision which will allow this country to quickly transition to martial law is Executive Order (EO) 13603 which allows the President to take control over any resource, property and even human labor within the United States.
This EO gives the President unlimited authority including the ability to initiate a civilian draft as well as a military drafts.

Not mentioning any names just "He" our President has been Purging the military like no president has ever done.
He has fired hundreds of command level officers.
Because the military leadership is the key to the coming civil war.www.newsmax.com...

Who will the military support?
Will the military support an out of control administration who would use foreign military assets against the people? Or, will they support the people that they are sworn to defend?

"He"has committed to taking 10,000 Syrian refugees what about our homeless troops?

"He" has the Russians and the Chinese military coming into the country because our military cannot be trusted to do what needs to be done when the economic crash occurs.

"He" knows that the military is conditioned to protect the people." He" is hoping that he can change the entire structure of the military and thus, change its mission through changing its leadership.

*****Please allow me to ask you an ignorant question*****
If the powers that be were not going to seize every important asset, then why would the government give itself the power to do just that?

Remember the Clean Water Act gives the EPA to control all private property as well as the precious resources of all water.

If this is not enough to convince the sheep of this country that the storm clouds are overhead, then take a look at HR 347 which outlaws protesting and takes away the First Amendment.
This unconstitutional legislation makes it illegal to criticize the President and the government, as a whole, in the presence of Federal officials.
I have news for you, there are Federal officials in every town, city and county in America.
If one violates HR 347, they will be immediately arrested and charged with a felony.
The sides of the coming civil war looks like this. On one side, we find the evil empire consisting of the elite, their government puppets, the DHS the Chinese, the Russians and perhaps the military.

The other side, for the moment consists of the middle class and the poor.
Unless the military and the police can be swayed to the side of the people, the people are going to lose badly.

There is one big prize and its allegiance has not yet been determined and that is the American military and it is a game changer.

Only problem is Obama has already retired, fired, or dispatched the anti establishment military leaders! All that remains is Obama loyal sycophants!

originally posted by: watchitburn
I'm an active duty US Marine. I've been in 15 years. I've been every where, and done everything.

There is no doubt in my mind that the military would side with the People against a tyrannical govt. if it came to that situation.

Our young troops are smarter and more aware of what's going on in this country than at any other time in our history. (projectvxn is a good example of this.)

I'm more concerned about a disenfranchised police force feeling unappreciated when push comes to shove.

I assume you're a PSG or higher after 15.

I wrote a thread about protecting innocent Muslims from the same tyranny I would protect anyone else from and I'm being called a disgrace.

It's funny how quickly certain political leanings will change when its crunch time and people must be treated with the same respect and dignity as anyone else.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
Do you mean the military that is being taken over by Christian Fundamentalists?

www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org...

Check out the documentary "The Sword of Constantine"

That's hyperbolic nonsense.

Most of our chaplains are some kind of christian denomination. I am non religious and have NEVER been preached to or forced to follow along with the religious leanings of others.

a reply to: watchitburn

...and the vast majority of those will soon grow up and mature, and realize that the world simply doesn't work that way.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: watchitburn

Truth.

But I know a few LEO's in real life, and most would never turn on the people as a whole.

Most LEO's I know are the same, but you only need one spark, one incident and all that can change in an instant.
That is what worries me.

Scenario - LEO/Soldier accidentally/not accidentally shoots innocent mate/family member...Reaction....you would have an instant enemy....me....forever....and I would pursue recompense immediately/eventually...with extreme prejudice.
This worries me. This is not my natural state but if put into an unnatural position....well..
Its a fine line, a very fine line..

The PTB know this WILL happen and want/expect it to happen, then they WILL use it to their advantage..its their strategy. Divide, conquer, subdue, enslave.

Another "problem, reaction, solution" scenario for them to take advantage of.

Do we ALL have the discipline to avoid this scenario/outcome? I doubt it.
Its only a matter of time.

keep your head and don't get caught up with the mass-anger that is likely to erupt as a protest by several strong-willed Americans standing up for the "red, white and blue" when they feel that government troops are now infringing on their Constitutional rights.
Instead of losing your head (as a lot of people will)

You see, in a time like this, these soldiers may be acting on orders to simply seize anyone that gives any trouble at all -- boom, that's it, off you go to a concentration camp.


There are a lot of red-blooded Americans pissed off today just at the thought that the government may one day clamp down on assault rifles.
I think it's a safe bet a lot of these guys are going to end up hauled off to concentration camps, others will go down in a foolish blaze of what they think is "glory", others will end up murdering troops acting on orders and then having to flee on foot, hoping they don't get caught ,Because if they're caught, there's a great chance that they'll be executed shortly after, without even a trial.

America is likely to become a dangerous land. Surviving in a time like this is going to take intelligent thinking.
Even if they take your guns, it's not the end of the world. Remember, this is America: A land of guns
Someone, somewhere is going to have a firearm.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: madenusa

Who will the military support?
Will the military support an out of control administration who would use foreign military assets against the people? Or, will they support the people that they are sworn to defend?

I think you'd be surprised at how seriously most of the military take their oaths.

"He" has the Russians and the Chinese military coming into the country because our military cannot be trusted to do what needs to be done when the economic crash occurs.

Where? The number of troop that would be necessary is impossible to hide. Not to mention the transportation of said troops would be just a bit hard to hide. The convoys, etc...

Just finished reading HR 347, and it does nothing to the First Amendment, at all. You might want to reread it.

"He"has committed to taking 10,000 Syrian refugees what about our homeless troops?

As for this, I couldn't agree more. It's shameful, to say the least.

to add: the WH regime of Hussein Obama has cut $2.5 Billion from the VA Budget

but by-some-miracle ha found funding of $4.5 Billion to ramp up the refugee (Muslim) camps in the middle east for war & conflict displaced persons
who will eventually be processed into the American economy as welfare recipients & more valuably as 'democrat party VOTERS' for then next 2 generations, is the hope

a reply to: St Udio

I saw that, too. Don't remember where...

I let my displeasure be known, and will continue to do so.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: watchitburn

......unless our military changes. Remember, last year:

Program Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Serve in the Military

The transformation (that is a term the UN also uses quite often) is being implemented as we speak, just in time when all the refugee and immigrant issues are at the forefront. Just 12 more months!!

That program is capped at 1,200 people. Just as the US also has an overall cap of 5000 for green card holders. And that is for Active, NG and reserves out of 2.2 million people.

As for the OP where does this nonsense about Chinese and Russian troops doing taking over the US come from? I have been hearing in since the early 1990s. They do not have enough troops to deploy and why would they bother?

a reply to: MrSpad
www.wsj.com...
According to The Wall Street Journal the war games involved the Pentagon, Department of Homeland Security (DHS), National Security Agency NSA and an undisclosed number of unnamed “UK officials” and “private companies.”
Without terrorism we would have freedoms and thats something the government doesn't want in a economy that is on the brink of collapse, Much easier to control a fearing populace that focusses on bogeymen instead of bread and water on their tables.
alt-market.com...

a reply to: queenofswords



Ive got 18 years in the USAF, served with a number of folks using their military service to get citizenship... good people every single one, proud to call them brother and would be proud to have them as a neighbor.

Also in all honesty those folks are more radical about defending the constitution than most americans I know... I dont know about the new program but the original has been a boon to the military.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: madenusa

You honestly believe the US military is going to sit back and watch video of Chinese and Russian troops kicking in American doors and do nothing?

You honestly believe there's some building force of Russians and Chinese and nobody has noticed, much less said anything about it?

Ooookay.

youtu.be...

10yrs ago....yes....now....zero chance....and I mean zero.

originally posted by: odinsway
10yrs ago....yes....now....zero chance....and I mean zero.

A rebel force wouldn’t survive 5 seconds in a stand up fight against the US Military, which is the reason the resistance wouldn’t do it in the first place. They wouldn’t need to.
Most of the combat arms troops that I know think that the left is idiots that don’t have a clue about the real world.
It is not beyond reason to think that a large percentage of the fighters in the US military would choose to fight on the side of the rebels rather than kill American citizens.

Imagine what a force of 3.5 million patriots (a mere 1% of the population) with the support of a huge portion of the civilian populous would be able to achieve. Let us hope that we never have to find out.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: seagull

That's good to hear.

It sounds like the biggest threat to the country then would be our youth marching around college campuses too busy being offended to notice the bloated corrupt madness of the Govt.

The federal governments reliance on foreign intervention.
Any popular revolt WILL be met with UN and NATO troops. The treaties involved do not allow a hands-off approach.

I have no doubt that these cowards would deploy chemical & biological weapons on the rural areas where the bulk of the resistance was.