It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

ISIS defector explains a key reason why people continue to join the group

page: 9
79
<< 6  7  8    10  11 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 05:53 PM
link   
a reply to: MagesticEsoteric

Sure, let's hear it. Pm or here in the thread is fine. I'm no saint myself, but there's a line I won't cross. I still have my humanity. I still have my soul intact. Of course, I might have done some even worse things if my situation were more more dire, but I guess I got lucky, but I still wouldn't ever go to the extremes required by ISIS standards.




posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 09:19 PM
link   

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: avriel
It's probably not worth the effort to explain it to you since you've already made up your mind. No ma and pa didn't inform me about socialism. Pa was too busy hiring guys in the community and getting them trained in skills like arc welding.


But not everyone can be a welder. The entire profession would collapse if as many as even 1 in 200 people were welders. Training people doesn't solve problems. It does just the opposite because each new welder raises the supply of welders out there making the skill worth less and less to those who already have it, until it's eventually worth nothing.



posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 10:29 PM
link   
It isn't a welfare state because people are getting paid to work in the ISIS military. Is our military a welfare state? No, it's a job. The same thing applies here. Still, it is an interesting angle.
edit on 21pmSat, 21 Nov 2015 22:31:47 -0600kbpmkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 07:58 AM
link   

originally posted by: darkbake
It isn't a welfare state because people are getting paid to work in the ISIS military. Is our military a welfare state? No, it's a job. The same thing applies here. Still, it is an interesting angle.


Just a quick reminder that most of the people in Daesh are not in the military, or are terrorists. About a quarter of them are wives and widows, and many of them are truck drivers, mailmen, and so forth. Daesh is trying to create a state, so they need a lumpenproletariate to rule over.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 09:48 AM
link   
a reply to: eisegesis

A key reason? Methinks not.

IS have been trying to sway the disenfranchised and easily influenced young men from around the globe. Time and time again you hear experts in counter terrorism talk about how the ISIS recruiters target the vulnerable that are looking for belonging an the anti western rhetoric speaks to certain individuals.

People have left Jobs to join IS so money can't be the key reason people sign up to a probable death.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 10:35 AM
link   
a reply to: Aazadan

That's NOT the point! Of course not everyone can be a welder but that's just an example of how capitalism works you hire a guy teach him a trade that's how my dad thought and he gave guys opportunity others might not and they were mostly black as well. Non union profit sharing turkey's at thanksgiving Hams at Christmas paid holidays especially Martin Luther king day. My point was directly for the guy who thinks all anti socialists were simply warned by their ignorant parents. My dad was a metallurgical engineer and had all his own patented alloys he developed in his own lab he tried to develop a cracker that would be able to give nutrition to starving masses and oh by the way during the Reagan admin he tried to find a metallurgical non magnetic alloy for our subs.....
Ignorance of people is quite astonishing in fact it's the red diaper doper babies that indoctrinate their children. Who was that savage or rush I can't remember but it's true. Anyway more on topic is that George soros open borders ideology had more to do with mass immigration than anything else and that's what this regugee crisis is born of and everything else Isis is born of the radical left.
edit on 22-11-2015 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 10:56 AM
link   
a reply to: eisegesis

It sounds like they should be really, really, really, really (to borrow a linguistic technique from my son) easy to defeat. Mostly just mercenaries, with money being their only tie to the organization. Not shared values or belief in a cause, just a couple hundred bucks.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 11:21 AM
link   
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Indeed! This notion they do it for money is just an excuse by liberal leaning apologists. Groups like IS and AQ form in a vacuum of stable governmental structure. They form out of greed and power, and they use ideology as a recruitment tool for the vulnerable and disenfranchised.

I've seen numerous references here on ATS and elsewhere that the US "created" ISIS. The actions of the US may have contributed to the creation of groups like ISIS by funding rebels who destabilize government structures, but the US didn't set out on the goal of "creating" terrorist groups like ISIS/ISIL. Shame on the US for cutting and running from areas where their interests are no longer served, leading to these groups formation. And our alphabet agencies have this cross to squarely bear (no excuses here). Terror groups form organically in a vacuum of near anarchy.

I don't like the current administration, and I don't like several of the most recent past administrations, but there's no way I believe any of them intentionally "created" groups specifically for the purposes of terror. These groups formed after the rebel groups at their foundations were funded and armed by the alphabet agencies of the US and allies. It doesn't make it any more 'right', but it speaks to intent.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 12:04 PM
link   

originally posted by: dogstar23
a reply to: eisegesis

It sounds like they should be really, really, really, really (to borrow a linguistic technique from my son) easy to defeat. Mostly just mercenaries, with money being their only tie to the organization. Not shared values or belief in a cause, just a couple hundred bucks.


The killers are in it for the violence. The volunteers coming from Europe generally have a criminal background. They are not mercenaries, they are now professionals working in a field they believe is righteous. Others are locals who joined because the Organization now controls their area and it is the best way to retain status and make a living.



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 06:11 PM
link   

originally posted by: CranialSponge
So basically what this is telling us is that ISIS has a bottomless pit of funds rolling in...


Which leads us to the question of "Where could such large amounts of endless funds be coming from ?"


The funds aren't endless.

Petroleum, taxes, extortion and theft.



In my mind, the obvious answer to this question would be central banks and transnational corporations since those entities are the main players around the world with neverending funds flowing in on any given day.


That makes no sense. X has money, therefore it got it from Y because Y has lots of money.

Y could be 'central banks', 'transnational corporations', hmmm what about "Chinese property billionaires", "Elon Musk", "Verizon", "Canadian pension fund", etc etc etc?



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 07:20 PM
link   
John Hinckley came within an inch of killing a heavily guarded U.S. President ---but suicidal "Islamic Terrorists" are too stupid to figure out this vulnerability???
Think about it! Presidents, Parliamentarians and Prime Ministers appear before large crowds on a regular basis -- often shaking hands and kissing babies as their bodyguards stand by.
No matter how vigilant, these guards would be very hard-pressed to stop a demented and determined suicide shooter, as the near-assassination of President Reagan in 1981 demonstrated.
With a never-ending supply of such unstoppable human weaponry at your disposal, wouldn't you, as the head of "Al Qaeda" -- "Al Nusra" -- "ISIS" -- "ISIL" -- "Khorasan" -- "Boku Haram" -- or pick your favorite "jihadist" bunch of bogeymen of the month -- want to take out the western political big shots that you profess to hate so much?
Think about it; a suicide bomber or suicide shooter can get to anybody. No Prime Minister, no President, no Senator, no Congressman, no Parliamentarian, no King, no Pope, no Secretary of State or Foreign Minister would be safe from a suicidal fanatic who cares not if he gets killed or is captured on the spot. And yet: thankfully, this has not happened.
Why not?
With today's explosives, one would think that one of these hundreds of "suicide bombers" would have been enlisted to chuck a Golf Ball bomb at some western big-shot, or even a not-so-big-shot by now.
Or bum-rushed a politician while detonating a 'suicide belt' -- or fired a rifle at one from close range.
But they haven't even attempted!
Why is that?
Answer: Because, unlike suicidal true-believing Red terrorists of the past; "
Controlled by the very same shadow government whose owned politicians are safe from "suicide assassins" Suicidal Muslim Terrorists" do not exist
The manufactured monster of "Islamic Terror"



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 07:48 PM
link   
youtu.be...
edit on 22-11-2015 by madenusa because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 10:23 PM
link   
a reply to: eisegesis

will follow the thread..



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 10:23 PM
link   
a reply to: eisegesis

will follow the thread..



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 01:25 AM
link   
even if we are fighting people who do not care about religion, they are still willing to blow themselves up for it. ... yea i didnt think that makes sense either.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 06:20 AM
link   
a reply to: madenusa

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the security procedures surrounding VIPs these days. When was the last time you saw a president or prime minister riding in an open top car? When someone on the campaign trail "spontaneously" drops into a diner, that diner was thoroughly inspected by the Secret Service two weeks earlier, and all the employees subjected to a background check. The Secret service then returns the morning of the visit and inspects every nook and cranny. VIPs live in a bulletproof glass box.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 06:39 AM
link   
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Exactly. Thank you. Sometimes I'm not so sure why people are so opposed to trying to humanize their enemy. To me, I see trying to understand the reasons people do what they do can help us take measures to make sure that those things don't happen anymore. Clearly just blowing each other up isn't getting us anywhere. There has to be a better answer, and we'll never figure it out if we refuse to even TRY to understand our enemies.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 07:04 AM
link   
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

As is the case in all marketing (and make no mistake, IS's recruitment efforts are just like any other marketing communications program), you don't use a one-size-fits-all message. You craft different messages for different target audiences. Locally you have large numbers of people who are trying to survive in an economically devastated landscape. They want to provide for their families. For them, financial incentives mean the difference between life and death --- literally. But foreign recruitment, the youtube, twitter, and facebook audiences are a different sort with different motivations. But they are in the extreme minority.



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 08:13 AM
link   
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Exactly. Thank you. Sometimes I'm not so sure why people are so opposed to trying to humanize their enemy. To me, I see trying to understand the reasons people do what they do can help us take measures to make sure that those things don't happen anymore. Clearly just blowing each other up isn't getting us anywhere. There has to be a better answer, and we'll never figure it out if we refuse to even TRY to understand our enemies.

This - exactly. Causality

Sometimes trying to understand human beings makes you either a sympathizer or an apologist. It's easier to just call it evil

Violence is not going to solve this problem. We can't shoot, bomb or napalm our problems away

I've got to be honest - the hypocrisy and dishonestly is sometimes more than I can stand. All people are capable of doing horrible things if their circumstances become unbearable and inescapable
edit on 11/23/2015 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 08:25 AM
link   

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
I've got to be honest - the hypocrisy and dishonestly is sometimes more than I can stand. All people are capable of doing horrible things if their circumstances become unbearable and inescapable


This is so true! It is why I told a few people earlier in the thread they lacked perspective. Until you've HONESTLY been fending for your life like the Syrians have on a day-to-day basis, there really is no way you can say what lines you will or won't cross. It's horrible to imagine so you hope that you are never in a situation like that, but the simple fact is sometimes dumb luck makes you into a super bad guy.



new topics

top topics



 
79
<< 6  7  8    10  11 >>

log in

join