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Satanic Temple chapters offer Muslim communities help against ‘right wing xenophobia’

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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: TheBulk


I always find it humorous how left wing defenders of Islam typical hate Christians and do all the things they claim to be against.


Exactly so. There is a general hypocrisy (at least here on ATS) by some posters of calling people who criticize Islam and the believers in Islam, bigots and intolerant, while at the same time criticizing Christianity and the believers in Christianity. The irony continues when they turn around and promote conspiracy theories of a coming Christian theocracy, just after denouncing someone who promotes a conspiracy theory regarding a coming sharia law as irrational, fearful, and unfounded.




posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: Klassified

He brags because it has been the only highlight of his life.



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

Look around you.

There is no real threat to 99.999999999999999% of us from Muslims either, in many states, as you say, and yet people are still fearing and losing their minds over the mere possibility.

And by your same logic, because some Middle Easterners in Ohio get pulled over and a couple get stopped at a South American border, we should immediately stop all refugees from coming in? I'm more impressed we're catching the few than I am fearful of all.

And again, by your same logic, an event can happen where you are at anytime, so why does the same not hold true for them?



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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The ten worst countries for Christian persecution are, in descending order, North Korea, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iran, Pakistan, Eritrea, and Nigeria. Of these ten, only North Korea is less than 50% Muslim, and only North Korea had a primary “persecution engine” that wasn’t “Islamic extremism”—it was atheistic Communism.

The report found that the Middle East is still one of the most violent areas of the world for Christians, particularly in areas afflicted by aggression from the Islamic State. More than 70% of Christians have fled Iraq since 2003, and more than 700,000 Christians have left Syria since the civil war began in 2011.

Prior to the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, Iraq was home to one of the largest Christian communities of the Middle East. Christians have lived in Iraq for nearly two millennia but are currently on the verge of extinction. In July 2014, ISIS began marking houses owned by Christians with the Arabic ‘N’, which stands for ‘Nazarene.’ These houses were taken over by ISIS militants. The militants gave Christians in Mosul an ultimatum to convert to Islam by July 19th, pay a tax, or be executed.

Somalia, with its 99.8% Muslim population, ranks second on the Watch List and has only a few hundred Christians. In Somalia, Islamic religious leaders publicly maintain that there is no room for Christianity, Christians, or churches in Somalia, a view “upheld and reinforced” by government officials. In the country’s very recent history, Muslim converts to Christianity have often been killed on the spot when discovered.


Christians in foreign countries are beheaded and crucified,



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: reldra

because some of you people are implying Satanist help but Christians don't

Or maybe saying that it doesn't matter who helps? Just that we help?



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:50 AM
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Nevermind.
edit on 11/20/2015 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: deadeyedick


my point here is that for them to be justified in that area there needs to be a threat and so far some vidoes from other states do not pose a threat to the ones in the op.

No there doesn't. There only needs to be a perceived threat. In other words, some Muslims might actually be fearful. Imagine that, in a world that isn't looking on them with favor at the moment.



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

Can you please enlighten us why letting us know that Christians are being persecuted half way around the world is supposed to excuse Christians acting intolerant towards Muslims stateside?
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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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I was just wondering how many here including me, have taken in a refugee?

I have cared for their children and we even attended church together, and I have in past years been called upon to come to their homes and pray for healing for them.

I was never afraid,



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Can you please enlighten us why letting us know that Christians are being persecuted half way around the world is supposed to excuse Christians acting intolerant towards Muslims stateside?


I already did



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

You did? I must have missed it. Repost it please. Because to me that looks completely offtopic and to be a distraction from the topic at hand.



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Stormdancer777

You did? I must have missed it. Repost it please. Because to me that looks completely offtopic and to be a distraction from the topic at hand.


you imply Christians don't follow their teachings, and I agree many don't but many do.

Truthfully you just want me to shut up and go away,

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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Harvin

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Funny how those religious satanists are more human than humanists and atheists.
Those satanists sure are sending a clear message to non believers, you are all lazy and selfish

So funny how atheists look selfish and close minded compared to satanists

So funny how all these atheists are rallying around the satanists as well, sounds like you are embracing religion


These particular Satanists (Satanic Temple) are atheistic in nature, as is the Church of Satan, et. al.

As far as more generic atheistic altruism goes ... one of many ...



So what do they need Satan for?




Though, to answer your question in general, Satan is a metaphor for an independent spirit of rationality that is against top-down control structures.



ooooh, you threw the old devil head icon at me huh?

I am sure I have seen the link before so no need to rehash there. Withe the satanists there are too many rules, titles, hierarchies to claim there is no * top-down control structures* so that is not true. Even still why give yourself a title of - satanist - ?

NOTE+ i am limited in my use of special characters here due to keyboard issues. It mixes up the character. May be hard to read but try to figure it out.

Back ot, what we are talking about here does not fit the definition of someone who is INDEPENDENT because you are part of a group or organization, so you are not independent, if you go by the definition - dictionary.reference.com... Apparently not everyone adheres to standard definitions. I really like the definition of deluded because it seems to apply often. What i see with these kinds of organizations is quite a bit of frustration.

I dont join groups myself since after i turned 12 years old, not being facetious or judgmental, but there are many of us out there and we never get together because...well I guess that should be obvious. I dont even understand the purpose of someone calling themselves an atheist since there is no way of knowing one way or another and yet they are confident in the term and calling themselves atheists. Now you are going to tell me there are atheistic satanists too? Never going to answer the question of why call oneself an atheistic satanist.

Even here you said an again I cannot use quotes - independent spirit of rationality that is against top-down control structures. - many people can claim that and even still...is that ever really true? If you have more than one person there usually is a natural progression to QUOTE - top down control structure - Look at a family, do the children run wild or is the parent in control?




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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777

Christians in foreign countries are beheaded and crucified,


... as are Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, homosexuals, etc. I'm sure you didn't mean to leave that out.

Who was responsible for the obliteration of more Christians in Iraq than any other force?

Why that would be two American invasions killing between 150,000 - 1,000,000 plus Iraqi civilians, give or take, over a couple of decades.

I would say that ISIS pales beside the US in terms of Christian obliteration (and for that matter, Muslim, et. al.)



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: deadeyedick


my point here is that for them to be justified in that area there needs to be a threat and so far some vidoes from other states do not pose a threat to the ones in the op.

No there doesn't. There only needs to be a perceived threat. In other words, some Muslims might actually be fearful. Imagine that, in a world that isn't looking on them with favor at the moment.



Oh well that is a very different situation. I am sure that right now in the usa more americans are fearing muslims than muslims fearing americans.

Let us call this preemptive and possible unnecessary and unjustified except by fear.

I am all for it if the groups feel better about their general well being now.

Let us not pretend that it is necessary in that area.

However if any documented evidence shows up there then we can say them heathens were ahead of the game.



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ~Lucidity

I always find it humorous when Satanists go out of their way to act more Christianly than actual Christians.


Define: Act Christianly

Acts of kindness are a Christian act?

Since I am a nice person and help out others, does that automatically make me Christian?

You people fail to realize that modern Satanism does not worship evil, but rather worship themselves and the free world. They worship that fact that YOU are the one in control of your life and you live it the way you want to live it.
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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: Harvin

With all due respect, you are utterly misinformed about Satanists and Satanism.

This is one reason I invited you to find out for yourself.

You'll have to ask actual Satanists about their reasons for being Satanists.

Unlike many here, I don't presume to speak for other people.

I am utterly uninterested in your specious attempt to deconstruct my own personal definition of Satanism; I offered that in the spirit of honest inquiry, although your responses make it more than obvious that you're merely fronting for an agenda.

Argue pointless, off-topic semantics with someone other than me.



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

One might observe that you are on the wrong site if you dislike people advancing conspiracy theories, of any stripe.

One might additionally observe that humans are indeed fallible creatures and that we are all blinded by our own biases.

Yes, we all focus on our own "betes noires" ... but I wonder, does pointing at hypocrites as being hypocritical about other hypocrites also constitute hypocrisy?

Philosophically speaking, of course.



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Harvin

With all due respect, you are utterly misinformed about Satanists and Satanism.

This is one reason I invited you to find out for yourself.

You'll have to ask actual Satanists about their reasons for being Satanists.

Unlike many here, I don't presume to speak for other people.

I am utterly uninterested in your specious attempt to deconstruct my own personal definition of Satanism; I offered that in the spirit of honest inquiry, although your responses make it more than obvious that you're merely fronting for an agenda.

Argue pointless, off-topic semantics with someone other than me.


One rule of the forum is - attack the ball, not the player - and you are being passive aggressive here and for the simple reason that my post and explanations got you frustrated. You did not respond directly because you cant respond rationally. As far as agendas and the sake of humoring me - what is my agenda? even still, and for the most part, anyone posting on a debate type forum can have the agenda slur used against them right? Some who are more rational would call it an opinion though.

You can try again, go back and read the other post and tell where you are having trouble. I was just being honest, someone posts and i responded.
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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: deadeyedick
Yea who needs proof or facts when rhetoric can get so much traction.


I'm savoring the absolute irony of this statement ...

... to sustain me in future moments of frustration.

...

So, you're officially against acts of kindness and compassion then?


you obviously have comprehension problems. I was speaking in terms of the actions of the Satanist coming to the rescue of those who are not in distress.

I am officially sure now that you are full of it

you try to pick one statment and bring it out of context but how about addressing the issue that no one has been threatened or harmed in that area lately because they are muslim

by all means continue to fuel your ignorance bandwagon







 
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