originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
First of all...nice to finally talk with you on-topic and (as I'm sure you can see) you are one of the few talk-to-able people around here.
Same to you. Even though we don't see eye-to-eye, it is refreshing to be able to actually carry on a discussion
But I do have to clarify. While you read my post perfectly, I still and probably will always believe that there is a correlation between the
insanity of "I'm an alien" and "I'm a woman in a male's body". I say correlation because I don't pretend to completely understand something I'm not.
But...there doesn't seem to be a provable difference between the two.
Your alien and your man/woman both believe in what they feel. They both (often) have no proven mental disorder other than them believing they are
something they don't appear to be. Until or unless some scientist finds a "gay gene" (oh...and I realize I used homophobia incorrectly...I just can't
type all those strung out gender descriptions) this will always be the case. Unless I am missing something, there is no scientific difference between
our alien and man/woman. Without that...the default labeling is a mental issue. But again...whether a mental issue or a gene...it can probably be
adjusted. I would have said cured but that can be taken as offensive.
Well, as far as we know at this point, aliens don't exist so some degree of "insanity" probably would be involved in someone claiming to be one. Men
and women do exist, are part of the same species (although it doesn't seem like it sometimes!) and are fundamentally the same bipedal bags of meat,
have the same physical and emotional needs and are really much more alike than they are different. We have complicated psyches, feelings, higher
thinking, language, culture and spirituality. We are conscious, sentient and have an individual sense of self while still part of the broader human
collective and experience.
Hang with me for a little sidebar. Intersex conditions or Disorders of Sexual Development (DSD), such as ambiguous or malformed genitalia occur in
human populations at about the same rate as autism. Some intersex conditions aren't discovered until puberty or even later. All embryos start off as
female. If that happy Y chromosome that people are so fond of is present, it has its one and only big moment around the second month of fetal growth
and tells the little pea to grow testicles that begin producing testosterone, the chemical that affects of rest of fetal development. Under the
influence of testosterone, sexual differentiation of the human brain doesn't occur until the second half of pregnancy. In the absence of testosterone,
a fetus develops as female. Things can go wrong here. Testosterone levels can be off, androgen receptors in the body can fail or only partially work
and a whole crapton of things can go wonky. If it helps wrap your head around the woman in a man's body trope perhaps thinking of this as a partially
intersex condition can provide one avenue for your understanding?
Do all transgender or transsexual people have clearly identifiable sexually dimorphic brain structures? No, but research has shown that many do and
others have atypical differences plus no particular part of the brain has been identified as being responsible for a person's gender identity or
When we are born, a doctor or midwife or somebody looks at a baby between the legs and says "It's a boy" or "It's a girl". This is our assigned sex
that hopefully isn't ambiguous, not our gender. A child's awareness of gender differences usually begins around age 3 and their own sense of being one
gender or the other usually solidifies around 4-5.
Many will argue that gender is purely a social construct or product of environment and the other side of that coin is that our brains are predisposed
to be one or the other by biology or prenatal hormonal influences which studies have shown to be largely the case. Regardless, gender can develop and
one's sense of it firmly and irrevocably established independent of anatomical sex.
Back to the intersex thing for a minute. Traditionally, doctors faced with ambiguous genitalia would make a best guess and surgical corrections would
be performed right away so an infant could be called a boy or a girl, at least by observation. What has happened though is that intersex people have
grown up and turned out to be/feel opposite of the surgical corrections that were performed. There is a huge cry going out to stop these surgical
interventions until a person is cognizant enough to know what gender they feel they are. Again, evidence that anatomy is not necessarily tied to a
person's gender or their sense of self as being one or the other.
As in your most recent post and your previous one with numbered points, many of the things that seem to bother you are political or sociological
issues. Laws, bathrooms, jails, getting "in your face" and so on are what really appear to be the problems you have rather than the people
"Birds of a feather flock together". Communities are formed and bonds are forged between the like minded especially among disenfranchised groups that
have experienced discrimination or misunderstanding. People hate it when the struggle for LGBTQxyz+ rights are compared to the civil rights movement,
the women's emancipation movement and so on but the analogy is valid. Would any of these movements have been successful without some flag waving,
awareness and getting in people's faces and causing a stink about their issues? Probably not and you're probably going to continue to see this from
LGBT communities until their issues are met. Strides have been made and society hasn't collapsed.
I don't want this discussion to be about me but as far as me personally just so you know where I'm coming from, I am not aligned with nor part of the
LGBTQ+ community although I am a supporter and ally and do feel a remote sense of kinship with many. I've had some great fun friendships with gay
guys, lesbians in my closest family and have met maybe 5 trans people in my entire life. ATS is the only platform where I've ever spoken of or
involved myself in trans* related topics but I have done a lot of reading.
I am a 61 year old white cisnormative binary predominantly heterosexual woman (because my vagina tells me so - sigh), a Pastafarian agnostic and
politically somewhere in the middle leaning left. Boy, that's a mouthful but labels and identity seem to be important here? I am open-minded and have
a great deal of compassion and empathy for trans* people and their problems, issues and politics (of which I'm not all completely on-board with) and
did have a small run of my own gender expression issues as a child so fully appreciate and understand the concept and feelings of separation between
gender and sex. I would like people to understand these things better and why I've spent so much time writing all this. If using starred posts is any
indication, I'm falling well short of my goal. Continuing this dialog, that while not meant to be, will probably be considered "in your face" or maybe
even beating a dead horse but is the only thing I can think to do. Probably a completely pointless endeavor but something I still feel important as
part of helping to "deny ignorance" in these matters.