Trump Says He 'Would Certainly Implement' Muslim Database

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
they asked for color, and if you went onto the hospital they asked for religion

Hospitals asked for religion for a variety of reasons, some of which being that so they knew if you had any dietary restrictions; so they knew who to call should the worst happen and you wanted a member of the clergy around for the patient and/or family; so they knew if there were any possibilities that there would ba any objections to things like blood transfusions; and if, should the worst happen, they knew how to handle the body. And you never had to tell them if you didn't want to.

He is so trying to weasel out of this...and so failing.

Rachel Maddow slams Trump for blaming Muslim database backlash on the media

But Maddow noted that Trump has never said that he would refuse to implement such a policy if elected. As NBC reported last night, he said exactly the opposite and called it “good management.”

That lack of a definitive stand has opened Trump up to criticism from not only Democrats, but fellow Republican candidates, as well as both Muslim and Jewish groups.

Donald Trump clouds position on Muslim database with deflections.

"We're not a bunch of babies...we need protection and we need it now."

Some of you may not like Star Trek or science fiction, but I think these two short clips from the episode titled, "The Drumhead" are very important to watch right now. Take 3 minutes and watch the following:



Followed up by this:



What is a drumhead trial?

The term sometimes has connotations of summary justice, with an implied lack of judicial impartiality, as noted in the transcripts of the trial at Nuremberg of Josef Bühler

Wikipedia

And isn't that what we're doing with Muslims? Passing sweeping summary judgement? In case you don't want to watch the videos, here is what Picard (Patrick Stewart) said:

"You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy: 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie, as wisdom...and warning. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged.

And later in the second video:

Am I bothering you, Captain?"
"No, please Mr. Worf, come in."
"It is over. Admiral Henry has called an end to any more hearings on this matter."
"That's good."
"Admiral Satie has left the Enterprise."
"We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. And then, before you can blink an eye, suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"I believed her. I-I HELPED her! I did not see what she was."
"Mr. Worf, villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged."
"I think, after yesterday, people will not be so ready to trust her."
"Maybe. But she or someone like her will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish--spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mr. Worf. That is the price we have to continually pay."

I think we need to think long and hard about how we are acting as Americans right now.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

True words. And a lot to think about.

Star Trek, to me, is full of valuable lessons on the human condition and has the advantage in that they really have to think about their actions as humans in a vaster universe.

We could use the Prime Directive here on Earth.

Yeah! Let's make this country great again by stomping all over that whole freedom to practice religion thing this country was built on!

Waaait, what?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

The thing people aren't realizing is that by clamping down on one group of people, they are setting precedent for it to happen again, and again -- and possibly even against themselves. I've seen this quote around here before, but not recently:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller (1892–1984), prominent Protestant pastor and ardent critic of Adolph Hitler

a reply to: MystikMushroom
Yep. It's a mess.

This is a good one too...

Trump Says He 'Would Certainly Implement' Muslim Database

If true, someone better inform IBM to get the tattoo guns ready.

a reply to: hillbilly4rent

Seems that it really is always the same players...playing the same game.

and now he said that the BLM protester at his event deserved to be roughed up.

I'm struggling to remember the last time an egomaniacal leader who encouraged violence against dissenters ever turned out well.

He is empowered by low information voters and their love of personality cults.

originally posted by: mahatche
I'm struggling to remember the last time an egomaniacal leader who encouraged violence against dissenters ever turned out well.

Well there was Hilter that turned out we......O wait no.....

Of but there was Stalin tha.....Ocrapy yeah that didnt either.

Of course your got pol pott he was good upright ma.....O no that wasnt either.

A but look and Kin dynasty in Korea thought there turned ok......O wait thats North Korea not south yup that went bad too.


Ok Im struggling

a reply to: crazyewok

Pinochet turned out great, we put him in power too because he wasn't a communist.

So Trump, predictably, is trying to walk all this back...the fact that he doesn't think before spewing crap.

In the meantime, seems he didn't think this one through either: Sourcing Neo-Nazi Propaganda

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I saw this today and thought of you.
It amused me, and if you've already seen it then apologies, but it can rest here in your thread for posterity.



BBC - A Muslim Marine's Retort

a reply to: crazyewok

Trump's body language, posture, facial expressions all are very similar to Mussolini's. Put two videos of them both speaking side by side, it's really quite creepy. Mussolini isn't exactly someone you want to be associated with either...

a reply to: beansidhe

Priceless!!

A perfect retort. Absolutely perfect.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I noticed that a while back, but thought I was seeing things...

He doesn't remind of Hitler so much as Mussolini. You're right. The same bombastic rhetoric, mannerisms.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

In art, of any sort, truth is often found.

There is a local GOP meeting tonight here, and I'm attending. This topic will be brought up.

No, I'm not a Republican. I was, at one time, a registered Dem. Now, I'm most assuredly undecided.

I'll be most interested in the responses I get.

a reply to: beansidhe

Very cool. Thanks for posting this for posterity in this thread.

Related: Honoring Muslims Who Have Fought And Died For America – Because Conservatives Won’t

For more than 200 years, Muslims have fought and died in service of America.

If you fast-forward to 9/11, Muslims were just as outraged and, in proportionate numbers according to population demographics, signed up just as frequently as Christians and Jews to fight terrorism. Conservatives forget that three times as many Muslims died at the hands of terrorists that day, about 60, than carried out the attacks.

As a result, 3500 Muslims enlisted. Seven were killed fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is again proportionate.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Yall are just making stuff up now.

People do not distinguish between religions on veterans day or when thanking veterans.

Don't let the trump chump get the best of you.