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originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
a reply to: lucifershiningone
Oh...atrocious acts AS it did in other countries...I didn't see that AS and thought you'd said Christianity, or even more oddly, Catholicism since it never had its place in America, led America to do atrocious acts in other countries...as if the US had sent a traveling inquisition to nations abroad. The AS, again, changes that whole statement around boy howdy. I just can't read.
originally posted by: Justoneman
I agree about not banning religion but i don't see how we can ignore the wolves in sheep's clothing who use the verses in the Koran like a KKK Lunatic attempts to use the old Testement? We sure don't give the KKK a pass if they violate peoples freedoms and even their right to LIFE just like ISIS eh?
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: DeathSlayer
What the Dutch do or don't do is up to them. The US constitution states freedom of religion here.
Ieder heeft het recht zijn godsdienst of levensovertuiging, individueel of in gemeenschap met anderen, vrij te belijden, behoudens ieders verantwoordelijkheid volgens de wet.
There is some history to this, since the immigration wave during the nineties the Netherlands changed quite a bit.
It had led to a political shift and a new political sound by Pim Fortuyn who had no difficulty with bringing and expressing the voice of the people in the Hague.
From a fairly unknown professor who now and than appeared on tv, especially with Theo van Gogh, he would have become our PM with a new political party that grew from 0 to be the largest party within a few months, this shows how much trust we all had in Pim and how loved he was.
Being one of us (not of the elite) and determined to tackle the problem we were facing because of mass immigration, (poverty, violence and criminality) he had many voters.
To react to the OP, this is simply an idealistic view and short sighted.
As if all the problems that we face are due to islam, this is not so!
While we certainly have our problems with muslim extremists who segregate themselves from our society, the most of the islamic population in the Netherlands lives together with the dutch people.
This week, Thierry Baudet, founder of the Forum for Democracy and journalists Jort Kelder and Arno Wellens presented to Parliament the citizen’s initiative “Peuro” demanding an extensive parliamentary enquiry into the euro, its introduction and its future. (English subtitles).
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
And there are all kinds of violent passages in the Old Testament:
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Here's one of my personal favorites:
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
This one is about killing people from other religions:
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
I could go on and on.
Now, before you tell me that "well that's the Old Testement... why is it still being used by Christians? Why do Christians pick and choose what they like and don't like out of it? Why is it included in the Bible if so much if it doesn't fit with "modern, civilized Christianity"?
I could pick up a copy of the Bible, scan the first half of it and justify my own little cult of extreme Christians killing non-believers and a whole host of other people. If it wasn't for the US justice and legal system, I have a feeling someone probably would.