ENOUGH ! The US government funded Afghan Mujahadeens, US funded ISIS, anyone see the pattern yet

The whole reason agencies like CIA, MI6, FSI, ISI, Mossad, and others exist is so that noone can ever come up with proof or a way to directly link funds and resources to people that should not have them. All of the worst dictatorships of the 20th century that were under heavy arms embargo and sanctions, somehow still managed to get weapons and armor originating from the Security Council states.

When the company needs to send illicit resources to an illegal entity, they utilize their assets all over the world. And if one of those assets is about to get compromised, they conveniently are liquidated in an accident, or mysteriously disappear. What a shame, they may have had some "proof". Its always the type that are easily forgotten. A pizza delivery boy, the guy who has worked at the same copy shop for over a decade, local cab drivers, etc etc .. people that are not usually noticed gone until long after all the other loose ends are tied and easily connected to a street gang or random mugging.

NOUGH ! The US government funded Afghan Mujahadeens, US funded ISIS, anyone see the pattern

Well to be historically accurate.

The US/WEST, and Arab allies funded the 'mujahadeen' right along with China, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia,Iran

They were called the Peshwar Seven, and the Tehran Eight.

The only difference today is Russia is the 'good' guys, and the US is the 'bad' guy, and the US get's all the blame.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: LastInLine1

If you want to stop terrorism AND REFUGEES in the future, you better do something about the US government

If you want to stop terrorism, you need to stop these guys. They control the strings.

Halliburton
Shell
Exxon
BP
Lockheed
Boeing
Novartis and Pfizer [ Big Pharma ]
Etc.........

Try the 4 of the Seven sisters, Saudi Arabia,Iran,Russia, and the new kid on the block China.

Saudi Aramco (Saudi Arabia) China National Petroleum Corporation (China) Gazprom (Russia) National Iranian Oil Company (Iran)

en.wikipedia.org...

That is 4 of the seven sisters.

Terrorists of the Sunni/Shia kind fight for them.

originally posted by: paraphi
Are the US really funding ISIS? Do you have any evidence apart from believing it must be the case?

journal-neo.org...

Not surprisingly, it appears the US Treasury is asking the wrong party. Instead of Toyota, the US Treasury’s inquiry should have started next door at the US State Department.

Mystery Solved

Just last year it was reported that the US State Department had been sending in fleets of specifically Toyota-brand trucks into Syria to whom they claimed was the “Free Syrian Army.”

US foundation-funded Public Radio International (PRI) reported in a 2014 article titled, “This one Toyota pickup truck is at the top of the shopping list for the Free Syrian Army — and the Taliban,” that:


Recently, when the US State Department resumed sending non-lethal aid to Syrian rebels, the delivery list included 43 Toyota trucks.

Hiluxes were on the Free Syrian Army’s wish list. Oubai Shahbander, a Washington-based advisor to the Syrian National Coalition, is a fan of the truck.


“Specific equipment like the Toyota Hiluxes are what we refer to as force enablers for the moderate opposition forces on the ground,” he adds. Shahbander says the US-supplied pickups will be delivering troops and supplies into battle. Some of the fleet will even become battlefield weapons..
First appeared: journal-neo.org...

a reply to: zilebeliveunknown

How convenient..
Did you really expect the US will sell their military equipment directly to ISIS?

And you have proof the US has sent anything to ISIS, because that has yet to be proven.

What ISIS receives of the US is either stolen, or left by the Iraqi military that decided to run instead of fight.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h


What ISIS receives of the US is either stolen, or left by the Iraqi military that decided to run instead of fight.

People don't accuse Russians of funding of funding terrorism, and specifically ISIS, even though they are armed to the teeth with Russian-made kit. There seems to be a disbelief that people actually capture and steal equipment!

a reply to: paraphi

Ridiculous.

Give me a source for this.

a reply to: madenusa

Western governments are well aware that ISIS agents have been inserted into refugee camps and are being imported into Europe and the U.S.

Documentation, please. The French government has claimed, without providing evidence, that some of the terrorists involved in last week's attacks "followed the refugee trail." This is probably just disinformation designed to justify turning refugees away.

ISIS smugglers have openly admitted to this infiltration plan, yet the U.S. and EU governments continued the immigration surge.

Do you believe "ISIS?" What sort of sinister organization broadcasts its secret plans? Their obvious strategy is to get westerners to be suspicious of Muslims, so that Muslims will feel unwelcome and be open to being radicalized. Don't help them do their dirty work.

The U.S. is set to receive over 10,000 Syrian refugees in the next couple months.

Officially. We all know that is not going to happen. 9,000 refugees will probably starve to death before they can be "vetted."

In the U.S., the federal government has been legally positioning for martial law for years, from the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and its indefinite-detention-without-trial provisions that apply to citizens, to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and mass surveillance measures without warrant, to resource confiscation provisions through executive order that apply during any event the White House labels an “emergency,” to elitist insiders like Wesley Clark planting the concept on national television of World War II-style internment camps for citizens deemed hostile to the status quo.

It has been going into effect next week ever since the internet was born, and yet has never happened. The United States does not need martial law, its citizens have television and smart phones to keep them complaisant.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: paraphi

Ridiculous.

Give me a source for this.

Quick! Can you identify these iconic guns used by freedom fighters around the world for the last half century? Where did they originate?

Just some leads to consider. Everybody makes up their own minds. Follow the money. Cui bono.

DIA documents reveal that DoD were supporting radical islamists when trying to undermine the Assad regime
medium.com...
www.youtube.com...

ex DIA head admits to this. What business did they have supporting rebels in another country? It's warfare. US doesn't care. It's their strategic interest
www.youtube.com...

US 'accidentally drops ammo' to ISIS fighters (2014)
www.washingtonpost.com...

US again 'accidentally' drops ammo for 'Syrian fighters' (2015
www.foxnews.com...
www.eutimes.net...

... and US sent them Toyota Hilux trucks (together with Britain):
www.activistpost.com...

US also declined support to IRAQ for an operation in which ISIS stole a huge stash of equipment to arm themselves
news.yahoo.com...

US declined to bomb ISIS oil operations (that brings them funds), because of 'collateral damage' (which didn't stop them from bombing Doctors with out Frontiers hospitals, wedding convoys, etc)
www.globalresearch.ca...
www.zerohedge.com...

And they directly dealt them weapons through CIA operations via Benghazi and Libanon 'aid organizations'
www.wethepeoplereport.com...

While McCain went to have a friendly chat with the Syrian 'freedom fighters' (against democratically elected president/parliament) , the fighters which then turned out to be ISIS a few months later
www.quora.com...

Christian sources in Syria are also calling out DoD on their "moderate rebels" bluff - and claim US directly helps ISIS
catholicchurchaffairs.com...

Sources claim that ISIS leaders themselves admit being funded by the US
www.australiannationalreview.com...

And US military leaders admit (scapegoat) their Arab allies as funding ISIS
www.washingtonsblog.com...
www.youtube.com...

and Obama cabinet requested a mere $0.5bn USD in 2014 for supporting "rebels" in Syria, when they knew (back in 2012) that they had become jihadist / extremists
www.wsj.com...

While some of those 'allies' claim that US specialists trained ISIS fighters in Jordan in 2012
www.globalresearch.ca...

... and some of those Gulf states are apparently now funding Nusra front - another name same jihadist movement
www.theguardian.com...

... although another ISIS leader was trained by Israel (Mossad), a country which happens to be the biggest recipient of foreign aid from US and who has the strongest lobby in US congress (AIPAC)
www.globalresearch.ca...


US also had the motive to help ISIS to get rid of Assad after the Syria-Iran pipeline deal (this gets easily too complex to cover in this post, but you can go back to material from Wesley Clark, the late Matt Simmons, Michael C. Ruppert or any oil and natural gas geostrategist to understand the basics):
www.contributoria.com...
www.globalresearch.ca...

even White house admits to the fact of strategic interests in the are due to hydrocarbon flows and how they want to keep their presence in the area (you can imagine what that euphemism means in military terms in the real world)
www.whitehouse.gov...

Not to mention what it does to arms trade to Gulf states ($300bn global business, not chump change)
www.amnesty.org...
www.russia-direct.org...
d28wbuch0jlv7v.cloudfront.net...

And if you don't believe arms are traded to embargoed / sanctioned countries, you can read Maggies' Hammer (it deals with both UK and US illegal arms deals going back to the 80s):
maggieshammer.com...

and Syria was on US ME war roadmap already way back in 2013 - as stated by general Wesley Clark (in 2007):
www.youtube.com...

Yes. Getting final proof in bank statements, confessions under oath (and lie detectors) along with a court sentencing (esp. when USA does not bow to the international court in Geneva) is next to impossible. Although Wikileaks documents provide that at least money has changed hands from US / Pentagon sources to isalmic extremists (pre-ISIS branding times):
www.haaretz.com...

But looking at this from where I stand, it would take a mountain of insanity to believe all of the above is just psyop propaganda from Russia, China or evil reptilian overlords.

And this is not to say that other countries (incl. most of the Gulf countries, Israel, Russia and many others) don't have their hands inside the cookie jar in Syria. US is not solely to blame for this, but I surely hope is is the first to clear its act up on this.

a reply to: Pathaka

The usual list of distorted information. The DOD document does not indicate that the United States wanted a Salafist regime in Syria, everyone knows that rebels can change sides, anyone can buy a white used truck, etc, etc, etc. All these pieces are held together by imagination and a willingness to accept other people's interpretations of what is said.

US Created ISIS

It's not really a secret, more of an "open secret."

originally posted by: Nikola014
Ridiculous.
Give me a source for this.

Some pics. All over the internet and from multiple sources. If the US is supplying weapons to ISIS on the basis that they are photographer with US-sourced information, do we assume Russia is also supplying them?

a reply to: DJW001

A quick google search turned up this list:

ak47builder.com...

There's at least half a dozen US manufacturers of AK style weapons and dozens internationally.

Interestingly one of the single largest manufacturers of soviet era military hardware is a country that's been getting a little less attention lately and coincidentally shares the Black Sea shipping lanes with Turkey.

www.globalsecurity.org...


A bit of a leap admittedly as there certainly isn't a shortage of Soviet developed and locally manufactured weapons in the region.

Also the US rarely sells any of it's military equipment on the open market (excluding trade partners) preferring to use third parties to produce and supply weapons.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
US Created ISIS

It's not really a secret, more of an "open secret."

I posted a link to the actual document misquoted in your source earlier in this thread. As usual, zerohedge has taken things so far out of context as to create fiction.

ETA: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Do you really think the Pentagon would release a top secret document revealing their secret plans? The document is a redacted Intelligence Estimate that correctly predicted what would happen in the region unless something was done to prevent it. zerohedge has presented it as a smoking gun, when it is actually the opposite.

Thank you for stars and flags

I guess I am not the only one vomiting when watching MSM

After watching MSM I gotta take electrolytes lol

a reply to: LastInLine1

ISIS can be stopped anytime the Saudi's decide to join and stop funding all the ME turmoil.

a reply to: Pathaka

Where is the money? How is the US making money from the money pit of Syria?

The US would not fund IS because IS is doing the absolute least to pressure Assad of all rebel groups, and is doing the most to pressure Iraq and Kurdistan which are US allies. And the ideology is entirely opposed to US.

The accusation is just another pattern of anti-US non-thinking rhetoric: find something bad in the world, blame it on USA.

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: Pathaka

Where is the money? How is the US making money from the money pit of Syria?

The US would not fund IS because IS is doing the absolute least to pressure Assad of all rebel groups, and is doing the most to pressure Iraq and Kurdistan which are US allies. And the ideology is entirely opposed to US.

The accusation is just another pattern of anti-US non-thinking rhetoric: find something bad in the world, blame it on USA.

Data shows those the US has arrested and charged in ISIL-related terror probes were overwhelmingly American citizens, and that a solid majority were US-born.
According to the Antiwar news and analysis website, of the 68 people indicted over ISIL ties, 81% (55) are American citizens. Of the 13 non-citizens, none came from Syria, and only three came to the United States as refugees, with the rest just ordinary immigrants.
The rest came from Bosnia, Uzbekistan, Somalia and Sudan. Roughly two-thirds of all “suspects” indicated were born in the United States originally, reflecting the reality that despite the hype refugees amount for a virtually trivial portion of the “threat,” and that as with most countries, the real ISIL threat is them recruiting Americans who are already here, and may indeed have been born here.

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: Pathaka

Where is the money? How is the US making money from the money pit of Syria?

The US would not fund IS because IS is doing the absolute least to pressure Assad of all rebel groups, and is doing the most to pressure Iraq and Kurdistan which are US allies. And the ideology is entirely opposed to US.

The accusation is just another pattern of anti-US non-thinking rhetoric: find something bad in the world, blame it on USA.

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