As States Turn Away Refugees – All Paris Attackers Identified So Far are EU Nationals

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: soficrow

I don't think you get it.

Those who did the attack in Paris were of Middle Eastern or North African Descent. It means that even though they may not have been born the ME or Africa, that is where their nationality lies as they clearly don't view themselves as 'French' , Belgiumese or British or German, You get the point?

So... therefore they are not European and they class themselves as not really being European. Also they are 'Muslim' first and wherever they are born comes second to that or even third. Their alegiance is with ISIS & Al Q..

There ya go. Thank you for the unusual smattering of logic.

These "french / belgian citizens" gained that citizenship solely for the purpose of destroying those very countries, and their real citizens.

Everybody knows this. Why sell the lie that this is the magic answer that makes all the immigrants peaceful ?

The vast majority of Europeans are of Middle Eastern or North African Descent - 35% African and 65% East Asian, mostly Middle Eastern to be genetically precise.

...There is not a place in the world that is not peopled with ancient AND modern immigrants.

You wanna vilify "immigrants"? Might as well just cut off your own junk and get it over with.

a reply to: soficrow

To learn the truth, see: www.telegraph.co.uk...

To say these people are EU nationals is much the same as to say the Boston Marathon bombers weren't "refugees"; they were the children of refugees.

The profiles of the Paris bombers indicates that yes, they are EU nationals as having been born to parents who immigrated to the EU from North Africa and other countries in the Levant.

To say that some one is a EU citizen is as meaningless as to say someone is a US citizen; anyone who can swim the Rio Grande can claim to be a US Citizen.

a reply to: TonyS

See above.



and btw - your telegraph article doesn't even have the right names attached to the pictures, and contradict their own info. Not the best reference.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: soficrow

To learn the truth, see: www.telegraph.co.uk...

To say these people are EU nationals is much the same as to say the Boston Marathon bombers weren't "refugees"; they were the children of refugees.

The profiles of the Paris bombers indicates that yes, they are EU nationals as having been born to parents who immigrated to the EU from North Africa and other countries in the Levant.

To say that some one is a EU citizen is as meaningless as to say someone is a US citizen; anyone who can swim the Rio Grande can claim to be a US Citizen.

Ahhh..Yes! That is the answer! We should arrest and deport not only immigrants, but citizen descendants of immigrants as well!

Why not be safe and include the grandchildren as well?

Hell in the USA almost a hundred years ago we rounded up all people of Japanese ethnicity and put them in detention camps...we also rounded up a whole lot of Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Philippine families etc. as well cuz we couldn't be bothered to tell the difference.

What a world it would be if only we could tell someone's character by their color, ethnicity or religion!

No priests touching children...no straight laced serial killers with bodies in their crawl-space...What a great world if we can simply trust those that look like us and claim the same faith...and we can deport, deride, hate and fear the rest!

Kind of sounds like ISIS? Cept they mutilate and kill the "unbelievers"?..maybe we will get their someday?

a reply to: TonyS

This. I am a French citizen and my opinion, cultivated over the last decade (at least) of following European news in general and French news specifically, that the vetting process of immigrants from the ME and N African countries has been extremely poor for at least two decades.

What happened with the bombings in Paris should at the very least raise questions of that process and should serve as a warning to the US and the current immigration policies. This is not to say that IF there are legitimate refugees we should offer them shelter, but by many accounts the waves of immigrants coming through Europe currently are largely economic migrants with smaller groups of Syrian refugees coming in with them. Video from Les Obervateurs.

There are so many heartbreaking photos in the MSM and other sources of children sleeping on the ground, needing food and in desperate need of aide. YES they exist, but are they the majority? If not, should we not question who IS the majority? I peruse these images and can't help but notice young, able-bodies and often smiling men behind the women and children.

There is much information we are not getting, there are a lot of migrants who need our help but many who do not, or worse seek to harm us. Is it not reasonable to at least pause and reflect on what has happened in Europe over the last few years, what is currently happening there now and where our country is headed?

So what is your point here since you didn't say how long they were EU citizens? Could it be they were inserted as sleeper cells in the past few years. And are you insinuating that because they were EU citizens these new "refugees" pose no threat? This is not an area where you want to err on the side of the invader.

a reply to: tmeister182

They are second or third generation citizens who are fed up with being treated as second class citizens.

a reply to: soficrow
I call bs.
There were reports that were silenced but not retracted that showed up to 10 of those killed or arrested were refugees from Syria. These reports came in first when the apartment was shredded and some were taken into custody. It was silenced later in the day but never retracted. There is a clear effort to allow Syrians to spread all over but when those Syrians were being gassed and killed by the thousands just a few yrs ago and those that seem to become irrational over the situation would not lift a finger to stop it and get there home back in order. Nor is there any plans right now to take their homeland back. No they have a clear plan to spread over the globe before being activated.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: tmeister182

They are second or third generation citizens who are fed up with being treated as second class citizens.

How are they treated as such? Vous etes Francais aussi? Because immigrants have rights, the ability to become citizens, the full support of the state when they don't have jobs, free health care, education, child care etc. Is it a social issue, that they feel they are not fitting in? Your answer is flippant but my question is genuine.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: tmeister182

They are second or third generation citizens who are fed up with being treated as second class citizens.

How so? Is it because they don't think the Islamification of all of Europe is going fast enough? Do they feel mistreated because all women aren't wearing hijabs yet? Are they pissed that people are still going to rock concerts, partying and having a good time? Are they angry that pork is still on the menu?! What exactly are they fed up with when they have all the same rights as other citizens have?

National security should be a priority when anyone enters a country, whether through immigration or as refugees. Otherwise, why bother with an immigration process and why have borders? Let's just let anyone in the country and hope for the best. People who immigrate are expected to assimilate and be productive members of society. Seems kinda obvious that immigrants that turn into terrorists a generation or two in didn't quite assimilate and accept said country; they became enemies, traitors.

A nation should think about its own first. National security, complete vetting of all immigrants and refugees, before they even enter the country. In other words, common sense protocols.

I think it's naive (or disingenuous) to argue that the terrorists were EU nationals. It's a lame excuse to make it somehow okay to accept refugees, because, the poor children! What about the needy we already have? Shouldn't they be a priority first?

Bleeding hearts will sing the praises of their latest feel-good cause, even while someone is sawing through their neck, and never stop to wonder why things ended up the way they did. I find the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth misguided and repugnant.

a reply to: RoyBatty

When the economy began to tank and unemployment began to rise, the working class began to blame Muslims for a wide variety of ills. Banning headscarves was seen as a direct attack on their culture. Naturally, there was resistance to allowing them to take time off to pray in the middle of the work day, and there were claims that some Muslims were polygamous, and that these extra wives were a drain on the social welfare system. When you live in public housing in the banlieu and can't find honest work... what would you do?

a reply to: Indigo5
Yah or even religion, as Christian refugees from iraq and Syria have been turned away.

www.nowtheendbegins.com...

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: RoyBatty

When the economy began to tank and unemployment began to rise, the working class began to blame Muslims for a wide variety of ills. Banning headscarves was seen as a direct attack on their culture. Naturally, there was resistance to allowing them to take time off to pray in the middle of the work day, and there were claims that some Muslims were polygamous, and that these extra wives were a drain on the social welfare system. When you live in public housing in the banlieu and can't find honest work... what would you do?

You turn to violence? Is this what you are suggesting? Headscarves are worn every day on the streets of France. They were banned from schools because schools are secular. The hijab was banned for identification (LOGICAL) purposes. France has accepted Muslim immigrants with open arms but that is not enough, somehow France has to adopt the laws (and prayer schedule) of a Muslim country? It is not a Muslim country, the immigrants chose to migrate there, is it not customary to keep one's culture while assimilating to those of your home country as well? I know I did.

Suggesting that they are "second class citizens" thus entitled to violence is unacceptable.

a reply to: RoyBatty

Lax immigration laws, open borders policies and all those who support them will be the undoing of France and the US and probably the EU.

But, I gather from reading the comments on this subject that that is precisely what a lot of people want. Be careful what you wish for.

a reply to: Indigo5

I didn't mention anything about deportation, but.....hey, you supporters of open borders and refugee relocation with no meaningful vetting, when the chickens do truly come home to roost, don't look to me for sympathy or support; you won't find any.

a reply to: RoyBatty

Where did I say they were entitled to commit violence? If you want to stop something, it helps to know where it comes from. France is under a lot of pressure right now, and there are cracks starting to appear in the EU. It's not just Muslims turning to violence, it's poor whites. The Mediterranean states are boiling over, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Hungary go Black Shirt again. When people stop obsessing over trying to tie refugees into the attacks and ask where the weapons came from, fences will be going up between EU neighbors again.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

You have been here all of a year? You are the newcomer son.

a reply to: soficrow

To sprinkle some salt on the wound:

FEAR AND FENCES: EUROPE'S APPROACH TO KEEPING REFUGEES AT BAY

(didn't read it yet, pretty long Amnesty report)

During the 1930s and early 1940s, the United States resisted accepting large numbers of Jewish refugees escaping the Nazi terror sweeping Europe, in large part because of fearmongering by a small but vocal crowd.

They claimed that the refugees were communist or anarchist infiltrators intent on spreading revolution; that refugees were part of a global Jewish-capitalist conspiracy to take control of the United States from the inside; that the refugees were either Nazis in disguise or under the influence of Nazi agents sent to commit acts of sabotage; and that Jewish refugees were out to steal American jobs.

Many rejected Jews simply because they weren’t Christian.

In recent days, similar arguments are being resurrected to reject Syrian refugees fleeing sectarian terrorists and civil war.
...

Anti-Syrian Muslim Refugee Rhetoric Mirrors Calls to Reject Jews During Nazi Era

S&F!

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: tmeister182

They are second or third generation citizens who are fed up with being treated as second class citizens.

Did you just advocate for this behavior

Well thank you for letting us know where you stand!