Serious Debate c. 1975: Monty Python guys vs CoE guys (talk show)

a reply to: Freija

Yeah, I just heard that!!! LOL!!!!

@ DISRAELI: thanks very much. The two excerpts give the gist, but the entire show does add context, for sure.

These guys are highly educated, articulate and intelligent. Their commentary on social issues are amazing. Dennis Moore being about the redistribution of wealth(socialism), etc. Don't even try to debate with any of them. You've already lost. As to the Life of Brian, it wasn't about Jesus. It was a farce on the discontinuity of 1st century Israel.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

People have laughed when I've said there are prophecies in Monty Python.

Here is an example. This sketch begins by describing the sacrificial purpose of the World Trade Centre at 1:00, and from 3:33 a rundown of the expected performance of the towers.

Prophetic.

I'm rewatching the debate, via the long version. It's fantastic......

about 30 minutes in to DISRAELI's link.

Talking about Socrates......"you wouldn't mock him" -
John says, well, maybe Socrates was funny! There might be something funny about Socrates.

Cleese says "I'm suggesting that we've made an advance

Then, the olive-clad says something about Chartres and Cleese says nothing funny there, though......

I really think you guys would enjoy this....
help us get some perspective.

originally posted by: Kester
People have laughed when I've said there are prophecies in Monty Python.

And I am going to be one of them.

That Python skit had nothing to do with the World Trade Center.

There also exists (from a later sketch show) a parody of this debate, discussing whether a new film about Christ is blasphemy against Monty Python.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Well they ARE well acquainted with philosophy:

originally posted by: intrepid

That had more action than a real soccer match.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Sweet! I will watch that next.
Thanks....

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: intrepid

That had more action than a real soccer match.

Yeah but learned something as well. After the goal, " Both Hegel and Kant object to the ethical underpinning to the idea of a goal here.... and others said he was offsides." Bwahahahaha......

a reply to: DISRAELI

Are you able to laugh at those films?
I'm sure you see the irony and how much it talks about the followers being the subject, and not "Jesus."

a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Yes, I was comfortable with enjoying those films.
They just don't arouse any "offended" emotions in me, so the reasons I've given are attempts to account for that non-reaction.

The stories/sermons that Cleese remembers....seven times they tried to get the Bible into Tibet.......

the first six were thwarted by landslides, rains/floods and mules plunging off the path, thunder boat and and....
but the 7th time they made it and said, "God got us through it!"

Where Cleese says: "No, the obvious conclusion was that [God] was trying to stop them getting the Bible into Tibet!"

a reply to: DISRAELI

I really and truly and sincerely appreciate you coming onto this thread, DISRAELI.
Honestly.

Thank you for your participation.

a reply to: intrepid

Yes, of course they are!! They are brilliant.

I love how Cleese says "well, maybe Socrates was funny!"

I dunno. I've always loved Monty Python......it was part of my youth. It contributed a great deal to my views and feelings about churchy stuff.

Dana Carvey, too.....

Boomers, like I said.
We were bombarded with stuff at that time, too -

a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Thank you so very much for this post.

I was about 25 years old when this debate took place. I can see so clearly in my minds eye, the young and so naive me of that time. I can remember my haughty, intellectually, superior, attitude, fresh out of college. I thought I was ready and could take on the world. This is also the time that I first started to actually question all the things I had been told, and started my journey, which continues to this day, for information.

My friends call me their go to person. The person that may not have the answers to everything, but knows where to look. They jokingly call me the information junkie. It was this time, this mind set, this breaking free from the indoctrination, time-frame that start the bus rolling.

I have to look at these videos again because they have stirred up so many ghost, and so much of what was said has proven to be true on all sides. This is going to take some time, thought and review. But again thanks, I needed this diversion of self reflection.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think its kinda funny that the one guy keeps on hammering the idea that a "young person" can and will look at the movie and think that this is an actual truth and or history of Jesus in any way, shape or form.

IF you want to actually learn about something, you don't go to a comedy bit or satire of something to find the truth of it

You go to the source...

But with the stupidity of this world it somehow wouldn't surprise me that people might take such things as fact

This is one of my biggest complaints with Gen Y. They think they know what the Bible says and Christianity is all about because they saw it on Father Ted or 7th Heaven

a reply to: Cinrad

This is one of my biggest complaints with Gen Y. They think they know what the Bible says and Christianity is all about because they saw it on Father Ted or 7th Heaven

Wait until the Generation Z/Boomlets, come into their own. In a thread I wrote a ways back, I tried to discuss how we were affected by the generations before us and how we are affecting the generations of the future. It died on the vine.

IF you want to actually learn about something, you don't go to a comedy bit or satire of something to find the truth of it You go to the source...

The problem with going to the source, is that the source becomes God and removes the need for anything other than the source.

A quote from my dead thread:

As reported in the article The Six Living Generations: (b)Toddler/Elementary school age. 61 percent of children 8-17 have televisions in their rooms. 35 percent have video games. 14 percent have a DVD player. 4 million will have their own cell phones. They have never known a world without computers and cell phones. Have Eco-fatigue: they are actually tired of hearing about the environment and the many ways we have to save it.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Wait until the Generation Z/Boomlets, come into their own.

Are you talking about the Millennials? I am the very proud mother of two of them.

They are coming into their own now.
They are in their mid 20s, thanks very much - and both of them appreciate The Holy Grail, and both of them know about all the major world religions. Both of them are critical thinkers, discerning consumers, and not afraid to research or to question authority.

(Love the "Boomlets" term - I guess I'd have said "Boomlings"...and in fact, since my kids were born about 1990, that's what I'll call them.
They are the millennials. Don't write them off.

a reply to: Cinrad

And you think you know what the Bible says and Christianity is all about because . . . . . . . .

??