27 States and counting...

originally posted by: angeldoll
WOW. CNN has done a complete flipflop on their presentations of the refugees since the governors spoke up today.
Now all of the picts are women and children, in water, in mud, crying, injured. The talking heads are giving stats on how few terrorists there are.

Clearly they have been 'advised' by someone to change their position.

The government manipulates the hell out of us through the media. It' sickening.

It goes way beyond the news media.

Look around the internet, even here on ATS. Have you ever seen such an aggressive campaign in defense of any group in your entire life? Even the gays didn't get this kind of support. They want you to throw everyone else under the bus, in favor of this one group. Why?

They have thrown the Veterans, the unemployed, the under employed, the American homeless, the American under insured, the American minorities, all, under the bus and it is okay. You can call all other groups and religions anything you want, and they will find every obscure event, that has ever happened, since the dawn of the planet, as an example of how worse, every other group has been, in defense of this one group. The fact that there are members of this group that are actively attacking, and killing people, and rogue members that are an ongoing potential threat, is supposed to be ignored, and dismissed because, according to them, it is less than 1% of the billions that are good.

This would never be tolerated by any other group, and it doesn't matter if there are 10 or a ten thousand and ten, when you are being targeted, and your community is being terrorized by rogue members of a group, it is not racist or bigoted to be leery of a massive influx of any members of the group, until they have under gone security checks.

Even Americans that are natural citizens when applying for a job have to go through intensive background and security checks. As an American you can't even board a plane without security checks and proper IDs, why is it too much to ask of asylum seekers?

Something is just so very wrong with this whole push and it has nothing to do with being politically correct or compassion. There something very dark and dangerous under the surface to those waters.



It is this insane and unfair preferential treatment that they are trying to push down our throats that is causing a greater divide. If they want people to accept the refugees and treat them like anyone else, it isn't going to work when they are pushing this whole agenda down everyone's throat and attacking those that question their motives.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

As an American you can't even board a plane without security checks and proper IDs, why is it too much to ask of asylum seekers?

Huh? Are you saying that this is not the case asylum with seekers? Upon what do you base this claim?

It is this insane and unfair preferential treatment that they are trying to push down our throats that is causing a greater divide.

What preferential treatment?

a reply to: Phage
It seems that faced with the need for expediency, our government thinks it is okay to fast track the refugees/asylum seekers into America.

As I said, I don't have a problem with true refugees that have undergone security protocols, and are who they say they are. However, I take exception to taking people in on only their word.

I can assure that even if you were born in America, lived here, and have served your country and community for over 40 years; you will not be able to get legal government documents of any kind, on your word alone. I couldn't even "renew" my driver's license, without my birth certificate, plus a passport.

Regardless of whether refugees have been vetted before arriving in the U.S., or whether they arrive with no documentation or prior vetting, the asylum process makes clear that both means are equal in the eyes of the law. Both the Central Americans arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border and the Syrians arriving in Europe have claims for protection, have not been previously vetted, and have in many cases travelled with false documents via smugglers to get them to their destination. Both groups have suffered on the journey and both, under national law and international agreement, have a right to have their claims for protection heard without penalty or being returned to the homes they fled.

Americans Must Respond to Refugee Crisis in Europe, US

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

It seems that faced with the need for expediency, our government thinks it is okay to fast track the refugees/asylum seekers into America.

Is that happening?

I can assure that even if you were born in America, lived here, and have served your country and community for over 40 years; you will not be able to get legal government documents of any kind, on your word alone.

I don't know. I haven't had to try.

Americans Must Respond to Refugee Crisis in Europe, US

I don't understand why you are quoting Gradye Parsons, a religious leader and theologian. Does he have something to do with determining the status of refugees?

Why are taking in any refugees?

Why does liberal America feel that it is our responsibility? Why can't refugee camps be established in Syria?

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Ha ha ha, this question...

America takes much responsibly for destabilizing the Middle East.

Camps in Syria? Talk about sitting ducks.

Camps...

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Ha ha ha, this question...

America takes much responsibly for destabilizing the Middle East.

Camps in Syria? Talk about sitting ducks.

Camps...

The Middle East has never been stable, it has in fact been the cradle of chaos for 1000's of years.

One can only add fuel to an already burning fire.

As long as religions, leaders, banks, large businesses, and politics are around we will see chaos.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

It seems that faced with the need for expediency, our government thinks it is okay to fast track the refugees/asylum seekers into America.

Is that happening?

I can assure that even if you were born in America, lived here, and have served your country and community for over 40 years; you will not be able to get legal government documents of any kind, on your word alone.

I don't know. I haven't had to try.

I have had to apply for assistance for both American citizens and for legal and illegal immigrants alike. I just recently had to go through the vetting process myself, and as a natural American citizen, that has worked over 50 years contributing to my community and country, I can assure you the process is not always in favor of the American citizen.

The process can be ridiculously frustrating in their attempts "not" to show favor to the American citizen in the process, and it makes for a cumbersome, even sometimes humiliating, process for the American citizen, in many cases. But this is just my personal take on the situation. I know it is not a valid reporting by ATS standards, so I am not at all offended that it will be dismissed.

Americans Must Respond to Refugee Crisis in Europe, US

I don't understand why you are quoting Gradye Parsons, a religious leader and theologian. Does he have something to do with determining the status of refugees?

I found that particular article easily available as it was in the Huffington Post, and I was headed for bed.

I don't claim to be an expert on immigration policy, though I do have to deal with the decisions that others make in it's regard, on an occasional basis. I am grateful for the lawyers that the companies I have worked for pay to deal with its complexities.

I know that you are considered by many around ATS, to be very wise and learned, on a long list of topics. I admit to my limitations, so please share with me your knowledge on this matter. If I am wrong in my interpretations, I take no offense in having it pointed out where I became misdirected.

Throughout this thread many people have chosen to ignore the fact that while the media shows us images of women and children, of which there are some, the majority of the refugees are military age males. While the media continually refers to the refugees as syrian it is also a known fact that only 20% of the refugees flooding Europe are actually from syria. It is also a known fact that things like this are happening:

Hungarian police say a Syrian man has been placed under preliminary arrest suspected of taking part in a riot on the border with Serbia, entering the country illegally and being a member of a group used as a front by Islamic extremists.
Police said Tuesday that the 39-year-old resident of Cyprus identified only as Ahmed H. was detained and questioned on Sept. 19.

Police said the suspect acknowledged being at the Roszke 2 border crossing during clashes in which Hungarian police used water cannons and tear gas to drive back migrants trying to break through a gate on the border.

Police said it had been informed through international law enforcement cooperation that the suspect is a member of Tabligh Jamaat, which it claims is "a cover organization used by terrorist groups to get radical people into certain target countries."

USNEWS VIA AP

Still, those who would defend the so-called refugees fall back on the women and children aspect saying we should accept the women and children and that it is only natural that if women and children were being relocated for their safety that the husbands, fathers, brothers, etc, would want to be with them to protect them...

In an overnight raid north of Paris last night police killed two terrorists. One of them was a woman who blew herself up with a suicide bomb vest before authorities could capture her.

Come on people, this is 2015, we don't use gender barriers any more. Terror is an equal opportunity organization.

a reply to: StoutBroux

Caliphate already in place at Mizzou, a large majority of students are Islamic rich kids. Nice as can be according to my Son...

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Vroomfondel

It would be interesting to know how many on that list refused to take Jews who where fleeing Nazi Germany ?

Minus 2 points for going Full Hitler within 4 minutes.

Never go Full Hitler. Especially in an incredible 4 minutes.

Your answer would be zero. Learn the history and the tenor of the times, before squawking.

originally posted by: angeldoll
WOW. CNN has done a complete flipflop on their presentations of the refugees since the governors spoke up today.
Now all of the picts are women and children, in water, in mud, crying, injured. The talking heads are giving stats on how few terrorists there are.

Clearly they have been 'advised' by someone to change their position.

The government manipulates the hell out of us through the media. It' sickening.

I'm sort of surprised that you would expose a media corruption in support of a liberal darling issue.

You are correct though. Their new mantra is "is security more important than decency / care / humanity ?"

Yeah, in my book it is.

Ya know, even progressive socialist darling FDR had it right....when you have a demographic that is likely to be sympathetic to your biggest, fight-to-the-death enemy, you address it.

I don't like the generic idea of camps, and I think many bad mistakes were made in the way they were created / run. But we are stupid to do nothing (or worse than nothing....help our enemies). Even mega-liberal FDR knew this. Be as humane as possible, but don't actually flood your country with your enemy, lmao. Remarkably friggin' stupid.

NTM Joe McCarthy lol. Delayed the communist infiltration of our government and schools for 50 years anyway.

I'm still on the fence as to whether Obama is a fully dedicated America destroyer.....or just an incredibly stupid dupe of Ayers, Dorn, Wright, Jarrett, Van Jones, Cloward, Piven, etc. Maybe all these people are leading him around like a mentally retarded pet.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why not send them all to California, Oregon, and New York? I'm sure these liberal sates will be happy to take all the refugees they can get. Their well known love of freedom and diversity will certainly cause them to see the logic of them living out the consequences of their own philosophies. (Rather than expecting other states, with different views, to do so).

originally posted by: skeptikal1
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why not send them all to California, Oregon, and New York? I'm sure these liberal sates will be happy to take all the refugees they can get. Their well known love of freedom and diversity will certainly cause them to see the logic of them living out the consequences of their own philosophies. (Rather than expecting other states, with different views, to do so).

I know....its mind boggling that they haven't stepped up and volunteered already. But that is the core of the liberal thought process. They talk about all these touchy feely giveaways but its always someone else that has to actually do it. Its easy to be generous with someone else's money, time, effort, safety, future, etc.

The five men were detained on Tuesday night after arriving on a flight from neighbouring El Salvador, police said.
A spokesman for the Honduras's special police force, Anibal Baca, said they had been tipped off by Greece about the men's imminent arrival.
Greek diplomats in Honduras say none of the five speaks a word of Greek.
They were held at the international airport in the Honduran capital, Tegucigalpa.
According to Honduran police, they were planning to travel to the northern city of San Pedro Sula. From there, they intended to cross into Guatemala and then Mexico before reaching the US border, some 2,000km (1,2000 miles) away.

link

a reply to: hillbilly4rent

Those are some awful long travel plans, yet they couldn't even make it halfway there. Looks like things are working.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: hillbilly4rent

Those are some awful long travel plans, yet they couldn't even make it halfway there. Looks like things are working.

Lets hope so and continue to work. Im all good with helping, but I would like to know whom Im sharing my foxhole with.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: skeptikal1
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why not send them all to California, Oregon, and New York? I'm sure these liberal sates will be happy to take all the refugees they can get. Their well known love of freedom and diversity will certainly cause them to see the logic of them living out the consequences of their own philosophies. (Rather than expecting other states, with different views, to do so).

I know....its mind boggling that they haven't stepped up and volunteered already. But that is the core of the liberal thought process. They talk about all these touchy feely giveaways but its always someone else that has to actually do it. Its easy to be generous with someone else's money, time, effort, safety, future, etc.

lol....for thee, but not for me......

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I get what you're saying, but we've tried that. Recently. Do you remember the "Dreamers" fiasco on the border? And when the government tried to move those Mexican refugees, mostly women and children, to different states? It was disgusting the way those states acted. Things haven't changed in this small amount of time.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: hillbilly4rent

Those are some awful long travel plans, yet they couldn't even make it halfway there. Looks like things are working.

From Turkey to Greece to Chile....sounds like a buffet ! Are these the terrorist gourmands ?