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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: DrakeINFERNO how about turkeys genocide that was in the there.




posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO
l

ol obviously, khan decimated the muslims. Reading is hooord.



How were the Muslims destroying the world between the 1300's and the 1970's exactly?


It certainly must be if you think that being decimated is the same as destroying the world. And again Genghis lived outside of the date range I requested.
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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I have no clue what you are going on about. Khan hurt the Muslims so severely it took years upon years get back together. Population didn't explode back then like it does now.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: DrakeINFERNO

Here's what you said:

originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO
Muslims have been periodically destroying the west for hundreds and hundreds of years. Want to talk about the crusades? Look at a map of the crusader led battles vs the Muslim led ones and tell me they are equivalent. People forget the past so readily.


So I asked how Muslims have been destroying the world (west) for hundreds and hundreds of years outside of the Crusades (Crusades ended in the 1300's) up until the emergence of Wahabbism (the 1970's). Yet you start talking to me about a non-Muslim who decimated the Muslims and lived at the same time the Crusades were happening, and you are trying to make fun of MY reading comprehension...

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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t lol khan weakens them for hundreds of years. Argue against history all you want.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: DrakeINFERNO

Sooo you are trying to say that Muslims have been destroying the west for hundreds and hundreds of years EXCEPT between 1300 and 1970, which makes up the bulk of the modern era? You are also trying to suggest that Genghis so thoroughly decimated the Muslim population during the Crusade years that they weren't able to recover on a global scale for 700 - 800 years. Got it. Your rhetoric makes zero sense and is hypocritical.

I'm not entirely sure you had a real point anymore.
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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: flammadraco

I agree there are different sects in the Christian religions, but none of these sects promote barbaric violence against non-believers. This is the main problem with religion. It's open to interpretation which creates division and violence among humanity.

However, this is the 21st century, not the 10th century. Barbaric and inhumane treatment of your fellow man has no place in modern society. To follow a life of a loving God doesn't equate to killing people who don't follow its man-made belief.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It makes plenty sense. Their population wasn't relevant enough to do anything for hundreds of years. Simple.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: DrakeINFERNO

So then your original statement that Muslims have been destroying the west for hundreds of years is false since they haven't done it for the last 800 years.

PS: In any case, your assertion that Genghis so thoroughly decimated the Muslim population that they were unable to recover until recently is just hilariously untrue. Muslims exist in more places than just the Middle East.
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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:10 AM
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Kapusta I am close to bursting with respect for you.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: Kapusta

I just wrote about this and how the MSM along with Christian are leading the charge for a Holly war and giving these radical @holes what they want.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

IMO I think the Muslim community needs to also directly reach out to the Christian community and the Vatican.

Having numerous Christians friends I can tell you like most religion they think they have the right answer and view other religions as questionable including Muslims. From what I see they are buying hook line and sinker that Islam is a terrorist religion.

Its not fair and rather silly but perhaps the Muslim community could reach out to Christian pastors and ask to speak with them or even speak at their Churches to demonstrate how 1 Billion plus Muslim decry those terrorist acts but the MSM isn't reporting it.

The MSM is doing the same thing with racism in the US, they concentrate on the white against black violent crimes being reported.

The problem with unequally reporting one side of the issue is that it victimizes one group of people and villainizes another group of people. The majority of people DON'T want to be labelled as a victim or the villain , hence this causes anger and separation of the people. You can see it today despite the progress we have made as a country towards racism the MSM is helping fuel tension when ever it gets a chance.

The MSM is apparently doing the same with Islam, they are only reporting on the radicals and much like they did with racism they are presenting a one sided point of view. This is causing tension , fear, and hate to flourish .

We and I say 'we' despite me being agnostic, because this is going to hurt us all in the long run. However, its apparent that the MSM is not looking to ease the tension but rather fuel it.

We need to stand strong and do grass roots efforts to overcome the damage the MSM is doing.

So as an agnostic I also ask what can we do aswell.



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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: flammadraco

I agree there are different sects in the Christian religions, but none of these sects promote barbaric violence against non-believers. This is the main problem with religion. It's open to interpretation which creates division and violence among humanity.


Really? Here are 8 Christian Terrorist Organizations That Equal ISIS



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm sorry you don't understand, Muslims that were attacking the west were united under a ruler. After the khans they went back to more city state tribal society. These are not opinions.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: DrakeINFERNO

I never said these were opinions. I'm not even contesting your points about Genghis. I'm trying to get you to explain your reasoning about how Muslims have been destroying the west while at the same time claiming they didn't have the manpower to do so.

Your position is hypocritical (not to mention untrue, there are TONS of Muslims in Africa who didn't even see the Mongols and Spain was Muslim for quite some time after the Crusades ended).
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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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Ok you keep trying to trump me with obvious statements. I know that 100% of any population is not the same and can be made of different people. Not all Muslims were involved in the crusades either. Neither were all Christians. Which I am not either.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ok you keep trying to trump me with obvious statements. I know that 100% of any population is not the same and can be made of different people. Not all Muslims were involved in the crusades either. Neither were all Christians. Which I am not either.



I'm trying to get you to more thoroughly explain your obviously hypocritical reasoning because I'm trying not to assume its just bigoted nonsense, but you aren't giving me a lot to work with.

YOU made the statement that Muslims have been destroying the west for hundreds of years. Well prove it. How have they been destroying the west since the Crusades? If they haven't been doing that, then no they HAVEN'T been destroying the west for hundreds of years. Yes, there was time in the past where Muslims and the west have been at each others' throats, but that was 800+ years ago and is just as relevant as comparing Christians of today to Christians of the Middle Ages.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: Kapusta
I also want to reassure the members that they have every right to be mad and upset at these terrorist. They are pure evil scum. But please know that they are not of Islam, They are of something evil. They're actions take them way outside the folds of Islam.


I don't think anyone here has an issue with the basic fundamentals of being a Muslim. The problem is people identify themselves as Muslims and go out and do evil acts all in the name of their religion. We also do not see the Muslim countries stepping up to fight them in any way either. Does this mean the Muslin family that lives down the street from me is connected, of course not that would be a truly ignorant thought. You say they are not of Islam but they say they are and you are wrong, so we need to address that.



As I have stated before their are 1.5 billion Muslims in this world . extremist make up a small percent of that .


It is just a numbers game and when you have 1.5 billion if just 3% were identified as muslin extremism that would mean we have 45 million people trying to kill others any way they can. A sick part to this is Muslims are much more likely to die from another Muslin of a different sect than any westerner is. All this is much more of a Muslin on Muslin war with the western world just a side conflict to these people, but we are trying to deal with people that are willing to kill all they can and even kill them selves in the process. That is truly a hard thing to understand.


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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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I said periodically. Which is true. Your timeline of importance differs from mine I guess. Everything had roots in the past not just the recent past.

If people are following books written well before the fights I speak of I'd say its relevant. You can disagree all you want why would I care.

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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ok you keep trying to trump me with obvious statements. I know that 100% of any population is not the same and can be made of different people. Not all Muslims were involved in the crusades either. Neither were all Christians. Which I am not either.



The issue is you do not have millions of Christians running around today killing, destroying, raping and pillaging, doing the most evil acts we have ever seen like destroying whole villages, raping all the woman and children to death and stomping babies. We also do not see 8 Christians go on a death attack and try to kill as many as they can while being a human bomb too all in the name of their religion.




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