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Man Tells Cops They Can't Search His Home Without A Warrant, Cops Kick His Door Down & Kill Him

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posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: stevieray

I know that the jury will not necessarily see it the way I do, especially if the jury is "properly" vetted, and the counsel for the defence are better paid than those for the prosecution, assuming it even gets that far. And I am not suggesting that everyone involved in defending the policemen involved in this case are in on some conspiracy spanning the entire realm of the justice system.

All I was doing there, was pointing out the logical holes in any defence that might be concocted, using reasonable deduction and cogitation upon the facts as they are known. If more of them come to light, then by necessity a new theory may develop around the new data, and I realise that my interpretation of the event may differ to a) reality, and b) the way the jury or judge might see the thing.

I am only calling it like I see it. Believe me, my self opinion is not that high that I genuinely believe that my utterances have any meaning to anyone outside this websites membership. It is just how the incident struck me, a chain of thought that issued from the input of the article in the OP.




posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: stevieray

I know that the jury will not necessarily see it the way I do, especially if the jury is "properly" vetted, and the counsel for the defence are better paid than those for the prosecution, assuming it even gets that far. And I am not suggesting that everyone involved in defending the policemen involved in this case are in on some conspiracy spanning the entire realm of the justice system.

All I was doing there, was pointing out the logical holes in any defence that might be concocted, using reasonable deduction and cogitation upon the facts as they are known. If more of them come to light, then by necessity a new theory may develop around the new data, and I realise that my interpretation of the event may differ to a) reality, and b) the way the jury or judge might see the thing.

I am only calling it like I see it. Believe me, my self opinion is not that high that I genuinely believe that my utterances have any meaning to anyone outside this websites membership. It is just how the incident struck me, a chain of thought that issued from the input of the article in the OP.

Well sir, you are quite logical here. Sorry if I jumped to conclusions.

I just get truly worn down by people screaming "murderer execution killer assassination death sentence". And the "judge and jury are corrupt" when their rambling rants are spoofed by them as well. It's just childish and annoying.

I'm glad you're not one of them.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: TrueAmerican

WEll had he been black, his life would have mattered and his Children would be multi millionaires. This story would have been global and city wide riots would have happened.

Just had to say it.
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posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: stolencar18
a reply to: stevieray

This is my theory too. The guy/"victim" instigated it with a big mouth and the cop had reasonable suspicion that the guy they were hunting for was actually hiding inside.

The entire victim act is sickening. Personally I think cops exercise too much restraint.


if the cop had reasonable suspicion, a judge would have recognized that, and he would have had a warrant in his hand.
the constitutions bill of rights protects individuals against the power of the state....simple high school government studies class clearly points that out


I don't think you understand how reasonable suspicion works. Reasonable suspicion, to really sum it up, is something where an officer can make a split second decision on-scene in real time as a result of something he encounters that needs immediate attention, and deferring that decision for even a few minutes could result in a risk to public safety.

That's in the law. Imagine if a cop walked by a house while on a stroll down the sidewalk and saw someone stabbing someone else through the window. Now...does he call it in and ask for a warrant based on his observation, or does he run in and save the guys life? Reasonable suspicion lets cops act in situations where immediate attention is required. Even a 5 minute phone call to a judge for an instant warrant (which doesn't generally happen in 5 minutes) is too long to save the guy. He's dead. Body is cooling. Bad guy gone.

Try that out with your high school government studies...


You are the one that hasn't got a clue buddy.
What your describing is exigent circumstances.
If they were in an active pursuit of the guy they were looking for, which they weren't, they had zero grounds to enter that house without a warrant.
Now if your quite done licking boot, maybe you can actually contribute something other than bull#?
Christ...I'm not even American and I know your laws better than you do.
I don't see any of the cops on this site siding with your interpretation either.
Likely because you are talking out if your ass.

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posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: VictorBloodworth

Maybe you and stevieray should sign up..
You're perfect for the job...
No respect for citizens rights...check.
No knowledge of the law or constitution..check.
Complete disregard for life other than your own...check.
Distorted sense of reality...check.
Yup.
Perfect candidates.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: VictorBloodworth
In fact, the blind subservience to these pigs simply to make life easier for them so they don't actually have to do their job is what turned your country into the police state lite laughingstock that it is.
The pathetic thing is your sewage is leaking into my country.
Fortunately, most of us up here are on to that nonsense and will have none if it.
A cops word here is considered suspect until the facts prove otherwise..like it should.
No one that has official authority to end your life in the course of their duties should be allowed to control the narrative or the investigation.
No one is without question.
This crap about it being a stressful dangerous job is a load of crap.
Majority if the time they're driving around giving tickets, not front line soldiers in a warzone like they trumpet continuously.
Even in gang infested areas, you never hear of a shootout between cops and gangsters, or drive by attacks on police stations or cops on the beat.
It's fantasy.
People are wising up to it.
Time you two did as well.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: VictorBloodworth
a reply to: VictorBloodworth
In fact, the blind subservience to these pigs simply to make life easier for them so they don't actually have to do their job is what turned your country into the police state lite laughingstock that it is.
The pathetic thing is your sewage is leaking into my country.
Fortunately, most of us up here are on to that nonsense and will have none if it.
A cops word here is considered suspect until the facts prove otherwise..like it should.
No one that has official authority to end your life in the course of their duties should be allowed to control the narrative or the investigation.
No one is without question.
This crap about it being a stressful dangerous job is a load of crap.
Majority if the time they're driving around giving tickets, not front line soldiers in a warzone like they trumpet continuously.
Even in gang infested areas, you never hear of a shootout between cops and gangsters, or drive by attacks on police stations or cops on the beat.
It's fantasy.
People are wising up to it.
Time you two did as well.


I'm ~ 1 million X wiser than you, old friend.

The bitterness and bile infesting your posts can only come from a lifetime of being arrested and locked up.

That's not my problem or anybody else's. And your tsunami of hate won't yield anything but more problems for you.

I'll enjoy my family's decency and success, and my comfortable retirement, all of which come from being part of the reasonable component of society. Not all cops are good, but the vast majority are simple, fair people just trying to deal with, and not be killed themselves, by the troublemaking a-holes of society.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: VictorBloodworth
a reply to: VictorBloodworth

Maybe you and stevieray should sign up..
You're perfect for the job...
No respect for citizens rights...check.
No knowledge of the law or constitution..check.
Complete disregard for life other than your own...check.
Distorted sense of reality...check.
Yup.
Perfect candidates.

I did my 22 with the military.

Typically those who yip & yap and insult the most, and tell others to sign up, have served nothing and nobody. Themselves, that's generally it.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: stolencar18

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: roadgravel
The person's car parked near a house is "probable cause" for a search without warrant? The suspecting running into the house might be.

Really ? Not the possibility that "car parked behind" and "used to live in that house" could mean "suspect inside" ???

lol, please say we misunderstood your post.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ...


The car did not give them the right to forcibly enter the home. It would have gave them grounds for a warrant, but instead they forcibly entered the home attacked a man beat him, dragged him outside and shot him.

It wasn't even the guy they were looking for.


lol dude..you wont give up. They had the right to enter it. I dont care if you disagree. It's truth. Fact.


Except that story doesn't track at all. Not.One.Bit.

Okay, so the police official story, is they saw a similar car behind the house, and then asked if he lived there, then pushed for a search, and when he was told no, he used the evidence of the car behind the house as reasonable suspicion, so he forced entry, a scuffle followed, the officer drew his taser, shot the guy -- effectively tased him -- then some how manage to lose the gun, to a guy being tased on his stomach with his hands behind his back. The suspect then shoot the officer with his own taser, so he had to use lethal force?

What part of this story tracks at all? Like -- at all, at all.

First of all -- A.) A similar car does not equal probable cause to gain entry. B.) He'd absolutely HAVE reasonable suspicion that the current owner might have been, knowingly or unknowingly harboring a fugitive, had he have just ran the plate first and it came back registered to the guy they were looking for -- this how ever still wouldn't give them the right to enter, but it would guarantee a search warrant, and if indeed the suspect was inside a tiny small box trailer, they could have waited him out and called for back up and got an instant warrant in the time it takes for the backup to arrive.

EVEN IF he KNEW the guy was inside -- he would never enter without a backup team, especially if the fugitive in question was wanted for armed violence.

This means the officer KNEW he wasn't there or he 100% wouldn't have risked entry without backup.

Moving INTO the house, he had the guy on his stomach, hands BEHIND his back AND he was being tased. How could you from your stomach with a bigger man than you sitting on your back with your arms behind them, manage to get hold of his taser? That first of all is IMPOSSIBLE, and even if he managed to get the taser, you can't really shoot it, face down on the ground with a huge guy on your back and your arms behind them. At this point in time it's VERY important to note the distinct difference between a police issue taser and a stun gun. A Taser shoots physical dart prongs attached to wire cabling and after every shot, the cabling must be disconnect and a new cartridge prong cap has to be manually reloaded onto the front of the device.

So now you want me to believe that not only did he wrestle the taser out of the hands of the officer, WHILE he was actively being chain tased, laying on his stomach, with the much larger officer kneeling into his back -- but that after he did so -- he then reach into the officers equipment satchel pocket and grabbed a new taser cartridge, then proceeded to discard the used cartridge, that's still firmly placed into his back to then proceed in loading the new cartridge before finally being even capable of firing a shot at the officer -- and that he actually succeeded doing this?

NOW, we have a cop who is saying he was actively being tased and WHILE being tased, was capable of drawing his side arm and shooting rounds on target which succeeds in killing the man?

Wait, so they are both super human? You ever see someone get tased by a police issue taser? You drop to the ground and convulse, you can't do anything, you can't hardly even speak, let alone continue fighting.

Then the cop decides to say that the other man in the house filmed it all.

So here is the break down of the web of lies -- there was no car that matched the description, and if there was -- they would have just took the vehicles information.

He knew the suspect wasn't present, that's why he was so willfully eager to enter without backup. He was exercising a power trip because he was told he couldn't come in -- rather than do actual police work, he though he's just break in.

Once he's in, he has to come up with a reason in which he decided to elevate from taser to deadly force -- this is the number one cop lie of all time "I lost control of my weapon" -- but he admitted to landing the taser and actively tasing the guy first [because this part actually happened]

Then he got tired of torturing the guy and he's such a sick psychopath that he decided his friend needed to watch him die, so he escalated to deadly force under the possible true or false assumption that he could justify it later and that the Fraternal Order of Police would help him cover it up.

He throws in the bit about "The other guy filmed it" because the other guy DID NOT. If he DID NOT, he can't produce the footage because it doesn't exist. It's his attempt at making them look guilty knowing full and well that they can't produce it because it doesn't exist. So now gullible people will think well -- if he filmed it what's he got to hide?

Not only is this report full of #, the officer isn't even at all a decent liar.

It's 100% clear cut that this is a murder -- based solely on the official police report and account of the murderer. Lets not even go into the fact that the officer has ZERO PROOF of his claims AT ALL, WHAT SO EVER, AND his story makes 0 sense. Like none at all. It does NOT track.

Despite a lack of evidence to the officer's claims, he does NOT count as a witness to himself, there is a witness to the victim. I still think there is a good chance that this guy will get "Justified" but that does not at all mean that he really was.

A local judge in my city came out and said recently "All cops lie to get convictions, it's just a matter of when they lie and that the state prosecutors absolutely know the police are lying about 75% of the time and use those lies to pursue conviction."

I'll just leave this here with you;

Cop gets caught lying in court, Prosecution defends him, Judge throws out the case.
edit on 27-11-2015 by SRPrime because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: stevieray
And you show your true colors.
Anyone who disagrees with you is an obvious criminal that has spent years locked up.
WRONG, jackass.
Being someone who works nightshift, I have had many interactions with police while walking home from work late at night.
To a one, they were rude, condescending, and hostile..with zero provocation whether I was respectful or not.
They openly lied, telling me the received a call of someone matching my description doing whatever...I'd be held for a half an hour while the circle jerked in their cruiser for awhile before I was let go for "checking out".
This stopped when I began saying things like, " really?...then I guess when I make a records request if your calls tonight, that will show up, right?"...
Bango, free to go.
They are liars, and so are you.
So, no old friend, I.hate to tell you this, but I'm not a lifetime criminal.
I'm sorry you feel that "serving" was your only option out of hillbilly hell, and you and you're bloodthirsty buddy's contention that I would never consider serving is also bullcrap.
I did consider it.
But at the age of 19, I was actually intelligent enough to figure out murdering people for a living in support of large corporations was neither patriotic or honourable.
I don't expect you'll ever understand, even being as wise as you think you are..



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: VictorBloodworth
a reply to: stevieray
And you show your true colors.
Anyone who disagrees with you is an obvious criminal that has spent years locked up.
WRONG, jackass.
Being someone who works nightshift, I have had many interactions with police while walking home from work late at night.
To a one, they were rude, condescending, and hostile..with zero provocation whether I was respectful or not.
They openly lied, telling me the received a call of someone matching my description doing whatever...I'd be held for a half an hour while the circle jerked in their cruiser for awhile before I was let go for "checking out".
This stopped when I began saying things like, " really?...then I guess when I make a records request if your calls tonight, that will show up, right?"...
Bango, free to go.
They are liars, and so are you.
So, no old friend, I.hate to tell you this, but I'm not a lifetime criminal.
I'm sorry you feel that "serving" was your only option out of hillbilly hell, and you and you're bloodthirsty buddy's contention that I would never consider serving is also bullcrap.
I did consider it.
But at the age of 19, I was actually intelligent enough to figure out murdering people for a living in support of large corporations was neither patriotic or honourable.
I don't expect you'll ever understand, even being as wise as you think you are..


My very best friend used to work at Hess Gas station before they sold out, and he refused to drive a car, he'd ride a bicycle, and he'd work night all the time, and sometimes I'd hang out with him, cuz night shift can be a drag, he'd get stopped on a regular, I got stopped sometimes walking back to our house [he was also my roommate at the time] -- I've been thrown on many a cruisers hood and slammed down on it and interrogated and searched, and they'd make up all the same things "We got a suspicious call" or "You match the description of bla bla bla."

They are out right liars, and the people who haven't had this happen to them just won't believe this is a thing that happens on a regular.

I mean, at the time I was a 23 year old white man with short groomed hair and a clean shaven face -- I don't look like a drug addict or a gangster -- there is just no reason for it -- it was solely just "Being out late" and them being bored because I lived in cape coral florida, a town that shuts down at around 10 pm.

Just because you've never been on the receiving end of harassment and corrupt police, doesn't mean everyone who has is a criminal either, it certainly doesn't mean it doesn't happen either.

I mean I was arrested like 8 times and the prosecution has dropped the charges 100% of the time. It still costs you the bail because they are rude and corrupt assholes, it still has you sit with an open case for months which impacts your chances at getting a job, and it still costs you a bunch of money, even though you didn't do ANYTHING AT ALL illegal.
edit on 27-11-2015 by SRPrime because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 09:41 PM
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a reply to: SRPrime

haha, gotta love the guys who hate the cops and the military just for existing. I'd have to guess you lump in teachers, priests, counselors, parents, etc.....anything representing authority, rules, and structure.

There's a great future in that, it always pays off with success.

And they are always smarter and more principled than everybody who brings a little adult reason or even handedness.

You 2 guys just admitted to a life full of being stopped and investigated often.

Guess what....it's you, not the failure of everybody but you. If they saw you coming home from just being a hard working guy every night, in no time they'd be just waving and saying hi every night.

No, there's something else giving you this special aura. I can only guess crappy attitude, always shucking & jiving and shoving your phone in their faces, and so on. Probably know you well from a variety of places and people over 20-30 years. That would be you.....not them.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: stevieray

lol, arrested 8 times and never did one thing wrong.

Are you Frank Serpico ? We know that such things have happened, bad cops are out there.

But not in your case. It's you, not them.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: VictorBloodworth
a reply to: VictorBloodworth
In fact, the blind subservience to these pigs simply to make life easier for them so they don't actually have to do their job is what turned your country into the police state lite laughingstock that it is.
The pathetic thing is your sewage is leaking into my country.
Fortunately, most of us up here are on to that nonsense and will have none if it.
A cops word here is considered suspect until the facts prove otherwise..like it should.
No one that has official authority to end your life in the course of their duties should be allowed to control the narrative or the investigation.
No one is without question.
This crap about it being a stressful dangerous job is a load of crap.
Majority if the time they're driving around giving tickets, not front line soldiers in a warzone like they trumpet continuously.
Even in gang infested areas, you never hear of a shootout between cops and gangsters, or drive by attacks on police stations or cops on the beat.
It's fantasy.
People are wising up to it.
Time you two did as well.


I'm ~ 1 million X wiser than you, old friend.

The bitterness and bile infesting your posts can only come from a lifetime of being arrested and locked up.

That's not my problem or anybody else's. And your tsunami of hate won't yield anything but more problems for you.

I'll enjoy my family's decency and success, and my comfortable retirement, all of which come from being part of the reasonable component of society. Not all cops are good, but the vast majority are simple, fair people just trying to deal with, and not be killed themselves, by the troublemaking a-holes of society.


I agree with you that most cops are simple, fair people. Here's the problem, the training and mindset have corrupted them. I don't believe cops themselves have become worse as people over the past decades, but there are increasing deaths at the hands of the police, and crime has actually been dropping significantly across the nation, so it does not compute. The police have become increasingly militarized, they've been consistently reenacting Cartman's "Respect mah authoritah!" in totally unironic manners. The system has been taking good people and turning them into killers of the innocent. The police departments need to stop the us-vs-them mentality that has been ruining our country.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: somnum

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: VictorBloodworth
a reply to: VictorBloodworth
In fact, the blind subservience to these pigs simply to make life easier for them so they don't actually have to do their job is what turned your country into the police state lite laughingstock that it is.
The pathetic thing is your sewage is leaking into my country.
Fortunately, most of us up here are on to that nonsense and will have none if it.
A cops word here is considered suspect until the facts prove otherwise..like it should.
No one that has official authority to end your life in the course of their duties should be allowed to control the narrative or the investigation.
No one is without question.
This crap about it being a stressful dangerous job is a load of crap.
Majority if the time they're driving around giving tickets, not front line soldiers in a warzone like they trumpet continuously.
Even in gang infested areas, you never hear of a shootout between cops and gangsters, or drive by attacks on police stations or cops on the beat.
It's fantasy.
People are wising up to it.
Time you two did as well.


I'm ~ 1 million X wiser than you, old friend.

The bitterness and bile infesting your posts can only come from a lifetime of being arrested and locked up.

That's not my problem or anybody else's. And your tsunami of hate won't yield anything but more problems for you.

I'll enjoy my family's decency and success, and my comfortable retirement, all of which come from being part of the reasonable component of society. Not all cops are good, but the vast majority are simple, fair people just trying to deal with, and not be killed themselves, by the troublemaking a-holes of society.


I agree with you that most cops are simple, fair people. Here's the problem, the training and mindset have corrupted them. I don't believe cops themselves have become worse as people over the past decades, but there are increasing deaths at the hands of the police, and crime has actually been dropping significantly across the nation, so it does not compute. The police have become increasingly militarized, they've been consistently reenacting Cartman's "Respect mah authoritah!" in totally unironic manners. The system has been taking good people and turning them into killers of the innocent. The police departments need to stop the us-vs-them mentality that has been ruining our country.

I just believe that your position is completely anecdotal and emotional. It never stands up to scrutiny.

Especially with nearly every huge blow up. Trayvon, Brown, Garner, Gray, Ferguson, Baltimore, the recent university dumbassery. Almost always a bunch of selfish idiot violent anarchists, nothing of real substance.

One out of 20 of these things ends up being legit bad cops. But 20 out of 20 is a bunch of raving ranting fools who are the bottom scum of .001 % of society.

We would need to clean that up before we can start to assess this epidemic of evil cops.



posted on Nov, 28 2015 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: SRPrime

haha, gotta love the guys who hate the cops and the military just for existing. I'd have to guess you lump in teachers, priests, counselors, parents, etc.....anything representing authority, rules, and structure.

There's a great future in that, it always pays off with success.

And they are always smarter and more principled than everybody who brings a little adult reason or even handedness.

You 2 guys just admitted to a life full of being stopped and investigated often.

Guess what....it's you, not the failure of everybody but you. If they saw you coming home from just being a hard working guy every night, in no time they'd be just waving and saying hi every night.

No, there's something else giving you this special aura. I can only guess crappy attitude, always shucking & jiving and shoving your phone in their faces, and so on. Probably know you well from a variety of places and people over 20-30 years. That would be you.....not them.


And you'd be wrong again.
I did well in school.
Priests aren't an authority to start with, so whatever.
And I went so far as to spend 4 years in air cadets in preparation for a life in the military and still have friends both current and former service members who agree 100% with my assessment of the "service".
They all regret their choice, especially the ones with PTSD after their tour in afganistan...especially now, since the government has basically abandoned them.

I'm white and grew up on a farm in Canada.
The only shucking I've ever done was oysters from their shells, and jiving is a little outside my style.
I in fact got on just fine with the cops in my hometown.
They lived there and took part in the community because they new better than to antagonise the people they worked for.
Until the RCMP closed down the local shop.
That has changed everything there now.
The city cops I ran into when I moved to the city were and still are the problem.
What you can't get through your immensely thick skull is that disgust in abuse of power by authority doesn't equate to hatred of all authority.
This is either ignorance or extreme stupidity.
So any other unsubstantiated assumptions you want to throw out there to show just how completely clownshoes you are?

By the way, I never admitted to a lifetime of anything.
You are either a liar or you can't read.
Probably both.


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posted on Nov, 28 2015 @ 01:17 AM
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originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: somnum

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: VictorBloodworth
a reply to: VictorBloodworth
In fact, the blind subservience to these pigs simply to make life easier for them so they don't actually have to do their job is what turned your country into the police state lite laughingstock that it is.
The pathetic thing is your sewage is leaking into my country.
Fortunately, most of us up here are on to that nonsense and will have none if it.
A cops word here is considered suspect until the facts prove otherwise..like it should.
No one that has official authority to end your life in the course of their duties should be allowed to control the narrative or the investigation.
No one is without question.
This crap about it being a stressful dangerous job is a load of crap.
Majority if the time they're driving around giving tickets, not front line soldiers in a warzone like they trumpet continuously.
Even in gang infested areas, you never hear of a shootout between cops and gangsters, or drive by attacks on police stations or cops on the beat.
It's fantasy.
People are wising up to it.
Time you two did as well.


I'm ~ 1 million X wiser than you, old friend.

The bitterness and bile infesting your posts can only come from a lifetime of being arrested and locked up.

That's not my problem or anybody else's. And your tsunami of hate won't yield anything but more problems for you.

I'll enjoy my family's decency and success, and my comfortable retirement, all of which come from being part of the reasonable component of society. Not all cops are good, but the vast majority are simple, fair people just trying to deal with, and not be killed themselves, by the troublemaking a-holes of society.


I agree with you that most cops are simple, fair people. Here's the problem, the training and mindset have corrupted them. I don't believe cops themselves have become worse as people over the past decades, but there are increasing deaths at the hands of the police, and crime has actually been dropping significantly across the nation, so it does not compute. The police have become increasingly militarized, they've been consistently reenacting Cartman's "Respect mah authoritah!" in totally unironic manners. The system has been taking good people and turning them into killers of the innocent. The police departments need to stop the us-vs-them mentality that has been ruining our country.

I just believe that your position is completely anecdotal and emotional. It never stands up to scrutiny.

Especially with nearly every huge blow up. Trayvon, Brown, Garner, Gray, Ferguson, Baltimore, the recent university dumbassery. Almost always a bunch of selfish idiot violent anarchists, nothing of real substance.

One out of 20 of these things ends up being legit bad cops. But 20 out of 20 is a bunch of raving ranting fools who are the bottom scum of .001 % of society.

We would need to clean that up before we can start to assess this epidemic of evil cops.

Start with cleaning up complicit prosecutors, and police unions.
There fixed that for you.
I know you won't agree because birds of a feather and all that, but its worth a try.
My only question is how you enjoy retirement knowing you were a murderer for a living?
Is it a psychopathy of some sort?



posted on Nov, 28 2015 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: DuckforcoveR
TSA conduct millions of unreasonable searches. What constitution.



posted on Nov, 28 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: somnum

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: VictorBloodworth
a reply to: VictorBloodworth
In fact, the blind subservience to these pigs simply to make life easier for them so they don't actually have to do their job is what turned your country into the police state lite laughingstock that it is.
The pathetic thing is your sewage is leaking into my country.
Fortunately, most of us up here are on to that nonsense and will have none if it.
A cops word here is considered suspect until the facts prove otherwise..like it should.
No one that has official authority to end your life in the course of their duties should be allowed to control the narrative or the investigation.
No one is without question.
This crap about it being a stressful dangerous job is a load of crap.
Majority if the time they're driving around giving tickets, not front line soldiers in a warzone like they trumpet continuously.
Even in gang infested areas, you never hear of a shootout between cops and gangsters, or drive by attacks on police stations or cops on the beat.
It's fantasy.
People are wising up to it.
Time you two did as well.


I'm ~ 1 million X wiser than you, old friend.

The bitterness and bile infesting your posts can only come from a lifetime of being arrested and locked up.

That's not my problem or anybody else's. And your tsunami of hate won't yield anything but more problems for you.

I'll enjoy my family's decency and success, and my comfortable retirement, all of which come from being part of the reasonable component of society. Not all cops are good, but the vast majority are simple, fair people just trying to deal with, and not be killed themselves, by the troublemaking a-holes of society.


I agree with you that most cops are simple, fair people. Here's the problem, the training and mindset have corrupted them. I don't believe cops themselves have become worse as people over the past decades, but there are increasing deaths at the hands of the police, and crime has actually been dropping significantly across the nation, so it does not compute. The police have become increasingly militarized, they've been consistently reenacting Cartman's "Respect mah authoritah!" in totally unironic manners. The system has been taking good people and turning them into killers of the innocent. The police departments need to stop the us-vs-them mentality that has been ruining our country.

I just believe that your position is completely anecdotal and emotional. It never stands up to scrutiny.


Exactly which part of my post was anecdotal?
Was it the fact the police have become increasingly militarized?
en.wikipedia.org...

Was it the fact that violent crime is down nationwide? Was it the fact that police killings are up?
www.voanews.com...

Ironically, after accusing me of providing anecdotal evidence, you went on to do exactly that.


edit on 28-11-2015 by somnum because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 28 2015 @ 07:35 AM
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Man Tells Cops They Can't Search His Home Without A Warrant, Cops Kick His Door Down & Kill Him


You know how this would have been prevented...let the cops look and if they don't have the person there they leave.

It's just that simple.




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