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originally posted by: Konduit
originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: UnBreakable
I have to say that in the name of God more atrocities has been committed in the world than all wars combine since man made a choice of choosing a scapegoat for God.
Is just human nature.
Atheist regimes under Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are responsible for up to 200 million deaths in the 20th century alone, far exceeding any number of atrocities made in the name of God.
Afghanistan was a civilized and modern society before the CIA meddled with their issues.
Outside of higher education, Dr. Podlich was a prolific amateur photographer and he documented his family’s experience and daily life in Kabul, rendering frame after frame of a serene, idyllic Afghanistan. Only about a decade before the 1979 Soviet invasion, Dr. Podlich and his family experienced a thriving, modernizing country. These images, taken from 1967-68, show a stark contrast to the war torn scenes associated with Afghanistan today.
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane
He said people didn't know what devout Muslims were really like, and it is a bad religion. That was coming from someone who really knows that community. I also know Muslims who aren't bad, but that's because they aren't true Muslims.
I think you're confusing things here. Just imagine for a second the Islam would be the 'civilized' First World and we would be somewhere in the Second or Third, but with lot's of oil.
You think we won't see Christian Orders fighting against oppression and the War on Terror, eventually with means of terror?
Afghanistan was a civilized and modern society before the CIA meddled with their issues. Destabilisation results in a loss of culture and leads straight to the erosion of societies to the point of plain barbarism, which is precisely what we've got now there.
How can we take all of this into equasion? Maybe you and your friends rather see the consequences of our lifestyle at work, but think it's just their fault/ culture/ religion and hence their problem?
Now take a quick look here for a second opinion and some context:
The Qur`an also deals with relationships of the Muslims with the non-believers at the individual and collective levels. Unfortunately, many non-believers showed much hatred and enmity towards Islam and Muslims, throwing Muslims out of their homes (3:195), or making fun of their prayer and religion generally (5:57-58), and either waging war or kindling the flames of war between Muslims and some other non-believers (5:64) or by other subversive devices (3:72). Although at an individual level Muslims can have even such intimate relationship as that of marriage with those non-believers who are truly monotheists (5:5, 2:221, 5:72), Muslims are advised not to take hostile non-believers as allies against the purposes of Islam and the collective interests of the Muslim community (5:51, 57). Those non-believers who are not hostile are explicitly exempted from this advice (60:8) and even in case of hostile non-believers the Qur`an holds forth the hope that hostility will some day change to love: “It may be that God will generate love between you and those of them with whom you are now at enmity. God is capable (of all things); God is forgiving and merciful” (60:7).
Sounds New Testament_ish enough for me.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed.
You didn't even mention one peacefull part to put things into perspective, nor did you provide us with a source for your rant (the other one on P.29).
Sorry to be a bit Dick Cheney about this, just saying...
And yeah, I do this 'cause I'm a believer (Protestant) and I like open, but fair debates regarding this topic. Now please, let's just be honest about this. We wouldn't kill every sourceress either, would we?
originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane
It was modernizing and who knows where they could've been now if there would've been room to develop. Democracy at least, and that's what I meant.
You're pretty good in avoiding the context in which I've mentioned that example. Nevermind and have a great time!
They are verses from the Quran, so that would be the source.
...if everybody will just take a step back and take a deep breath they will see everything different.
My hart goes to you and anybody that are been targeted without having anything to do with the horrible massacre in France.
Its not idiotic, its the only way to stop its evil spell on ignorant and Naive peoples
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: SPECULUM
Right. Banned from the planet.
I guess you don't realize how idiotic that sounds. Or maybe you do. Hard to tell on the interwebs.
...By launching increasingly shocking attacks against Western targets, the Islamic State is pursuing a specific goal — generating hostility between domestic Muslim populations and the broader societies that they live in.
The civil war in Afghanistan was guerrilla warfare and a war of attrition between the several communist (that is, PDPA) controlled regimes and the mujahidin; it cost both sides a great deal. Many Afghans, perhaps as many as five million, or one-quarter of the country's population, fled to Pakistan and Iran where they organized into guerrilla groups to strike Soviet and government forces inside Afghanistan. Others remained in Afghanistan and also formed fighting groups; perhaps most notable was one led by Ahmad Shah Massoud in the northeastern part of Afghanistan. These various groups were supplied with funds to purchase arms, principally from the United States, Saudi Arabia, China, and Egypt. Despite high casualties on both sides, pressure continued to mount on the Soviet Union, especially after the United States brought in Stinger anti-aircraft missiles which severely reduced the effectiveness of Soviet air cover.
At the end of the battle Rambo and Trautman say goodbye to their Mujahideen friends and leave Afghanistan to go home. The movie ends with two quotes: "This film is dedicated to the gallant people of Afghanistan." and "I am like a bullet, filled with lead and made to kill"
However, this was a not the original quote in the movie. Prior to the American war in Afghanistan, the ending quote of the movie read "This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan". This was then edited to read "people of Afghanistan" during the post 9/11