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The Obvious Strategy of The Islamic State Is Working, You’re All Being Stupid

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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

Responding to this post (here). And FYI, that's a lot of CAPS. Makes it hard to read.



America DOES NOT and WILL NOT TOLERATE a person, a gathering, a religion, a small group or an ENTIRE people who sit and DO NOTHING about a problem that THEY!!!! THEM !!!! **** NOT US ***** Allow to CONTINUE !!!!

Oh really? So does this mean you support America finally doing something about the mass shooting epidemic here? More than 320 have happened so far this year. Mass Shootings in 2015

Or the rape epidemic here? Roughly 1 in 6 American women has been or will be raped. What is our country doing to prevent these from happening?

Or the child abuse & child neglect epidemic here? Roughly 5,000 American kids are killed every year through child abuse & child neglect. Where's the "War on Child Abuse" (which I would support)?

And what about the epidemic of drunk driving, the 16,000 plus yearly homicides, the epidemic drug addiction rates, the unchecked HIV/AIDS epidemics, and every other atrocity that happens here on a daily basis?

Those are all far more common & far more likely to kill Americans that Islamic extremism/terrorism! So why are we tolerating those things if "America DOES NOT and WILL NOT TOLERATE a person, a gathering, a religion, a small group or an ENTIRE people who sit and DO NOTHING about a problem that THEY!!!! THEM !!!! **** NOT US ***** Allow to CONTINUE" as you say? Why?! Or do they not count because you don't actually give a crap about people dying or suffering?

Your post reeks of the desire to attack Muslims instead of actually attacking what's harming people. The whole point in my "socialist utopias" theory is because I want everyone to have safe havens where they can avoid this crap. I don't care if people are Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, Jedi, or worship the "divine" swords of Japanese mythology (Shinto?). All suffering and murder is wrong, regardless of who the perpetrators or victims are.

(note: Anyone is welcome in the future socialist utopias as long as you follow our rules & unless you hate chocolate. "Choco-haters" get extra security screenings & must be placed under temporary surveillance because there's just something inherently wrong with not liking chocolate. But carob, japanese akebi/akebia, & other chocolate alternatives are acceptable, so long as you bring me some to "inspect". Yes, chocolate kickbacks will be my form of corruption/bribery. I never said i was perfect so don't judge me, or else i'll up the price)




posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 12:58 AM
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geez everyone is still on this lol christ guys the op just wanted the bigots and hate mongers on here to really just take a breather and i dont blame him... BUT to suggest that somehow the muslim religion isnt responsible for all this is crazy and they should be held accountable somewhow. also the owner of this forum should be able to express himself anyway.. #.. we wouldnt be here expressing ourselves if he never put ATS together.. as a business owner i commend his courage to speak hos mind even though it may affect his business.. BUT again.. I feel that whatever greif the Muslim religion gets from all this is deserved, its their problem and no one elses



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: tonycodes




as a business owner
...one should learn how to write.



its their problem and no one elses
Tell that to Paris.

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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:06 AM
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a reply to: Phage

u know what phage i see u do alot of hard work on here and commend u for that but when u start worrying about grammer and spelling its time to go to bed man lol oh and the second part u misread
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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:07 AM
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a reply to: tonycodes
I don't worry much about spelling. (btw, it's spelled grammar)
But expressing one's thoughts in a coherent manner, that's different.

As a businessman, I would not be impressed with your demonstrated abilities. I'd go with the other guy.



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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:08 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
The worst part is the Western world also benefits from generating hatred. If more people are willing to support invasions and wars in the ME that means more profit for the US companies who manufacture weapons. I'm willing to bet the stock in some of those companies rose shortly after the Paris attacks. ISIS also benefits because many new extremists are created when we react in the way SkepticOverlord described.

It's like a never ending cycle of hatred. One group provokes the other, which causes them to react, and so on and so forth. They both just feed on each others hate until they eventually end up destroying each other.


Exactly. That's why "an eye for an eye" simply doesn't work. We can't defeat our opponents by emulating their worse qualities. That simply replaces one monster with a new monster. Killing civilians in one area will only make the citizens there hate the killer, regardless of whether the killing happened because of vengeance, oil, money, democracy, communism, etc. And all it takes is for one citizen there to get mad enough to actively seek revenge & the cycle continues.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:15 AM
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a reply to: Phage

haha sure you would.. nice comeback.. anyway all this chatter about saving the snails and the innocent is not working anyway.. i never want to see good people killed bc of evil people but just like when u kill any cancer .. good cells die too.. and i always knew thats how radical islam would fall and just accepted it.. it sucks.. but cowards hide among the innocent every time.. and now france is about to statt bombing alot of civilians..

m.huffpost.com...

so we can all talk like we can save the innocent, but its not gonna happen.. everyone needs to accept that the muslim religion is at best unstable and its about to sacrifice even more of its own people.. its sad # but you cant just run around killing people in the name of an invisible man in the sky and not have a vicious backlash..



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

u do realize we already did the eye for an eye thing and saved the world from nazis...



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:28 AM
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a reply to: tonycodes


so we can all talk like we can save the innocent, but its not gonna happen.. everyone needs to accept that the muslim religion is at best unstable and its about to sacrifice even more of its own people.. its sad # but you cant just run around killing people in the name of an invisible man in the sky and not have a vicious backlash..

You can't just generalize all Muslim people based on their religion. If you knew what they actually believe you would know they don't believe in going around murdering people, it's only the extremists with their extreme religious views which believe in those things. Passages from the bible could easily be used as justification for murdering certain people but that wouldn't prove most Christians follow those interpretations of the bible. You're judging an entire race of people based on a small group of hate filled terrorists. What if it was discovered that we have ISIS factions living in the US, would you then support bombing of US infrastructure even if innocent lives were caught in the crossfire? Did you ever think that maybe taking innocent Muslim lives is one of the main driving forces behind what causes other Muslim persons to become radicalized?



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: tonycodes
a reply to: enlightenedservant

u do realize we already did the eye for an eye thing and saved the world from nazis...

You also did the eye-for-an-eye thing after 9/11 and you created more terrorists than we started with.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Not all snakes are poisonous but you still don't welcome them into your home.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:32 AM
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Not all snakes are poisonous but you still don't welcome them into your home.

Bullcrap. Lots of people have snakes in their homes.



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posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:36 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: abe froman




Not all snakes are poisonous but you still don't welcome them into your home.

Bullcrap. Lots of people have snakes in their homes.




Shhhh! Mine is sitting across the room glaring at me because I didn't take the trash out this morning!



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:39 AM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom
Would she like to meet my daughter's rats?



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:40 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

We're labelled anyway, so it doesn't matter if the owners validate the notion? Is that what you're telling me?

1. ATS members do not deserve to be labelled as stupid simply because maniacs exist.

2. I'm not the first or only member to notice the agenda. SO's reference to 'privately owned forums' serves to highlight what I really think he wanted to say throughout this thread. 'This is my forum, you will follow my line of discussion'. This will alienate members. I, myself, am considering abandoning SO's personal blog in favour of an open forum. I'm sure there are others.

3. Correct. It's also in danger of being seen as a safe haven for extremists, should the staff insist on validating that connection.

We're seeing crackdowns across the board. Even ATS is becoming hostile to their own.

Well, look at that. Guess SO's right, the strategy is working. SO is proof of that, well intentioned or not. ISIS forced him to assail his own.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Why am I getting SPAM from this thread across the site?



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 01:55 AM
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The amount of indiscriminate “Muslim hate” seen here on ATS and especially out in the wide-wide world, is precisely what ISIS/ISIL/Daesh is expecting.


Cautiousness and inherent distrust is not "hate." It's prejudice. Though the two are often linked, they are not the same thing. Also, by "expecting" do you mean it as in "predicting will happen" or "want to happen?"




We westerners have consistently demonstrated a level of deep stupid in response to violence from radical Islam, that results in rampant Islamaphobia, Muslim hate, bigotry and intolerance.


I agree. Our response has been either to bomb innocent families or to do nothing. Again, you are confusing a justified prejudice for intolerance and hate. Yes, there are some people who downright hate all Muslims, but I venture that the vast majority of us who are cautious about the spread of Islam in the West do not actually hate Muslims.




The problem is not Muslims, it’s the clash of ideologies of radical Islam with Western culture. And the more we react with stupidity, the more victories we hand ISIS in the battle of hearts and minds.


This is where our Western thinking gets us into trouble when debating about the threat of Islam. Whereas most Christians would label anyone following the Bible literally and verbatim as "fundamentalist" or "extremist," there is nothing "radical" about "radical Islam" in the context of how the vast majority of Muslims believe. Moderate Muslims are a minority in the world and "liberal Muslim" is pretty much an oxymoron - at least for those not born in Western countries and instilled with our values at an early age. I'm not going to get into it a lot here, but I'll just mention that one of the primary tenets of Islam is Dar al-Islam. For Islam, there is no room for other beliefs. Not being cautious about Muslims is playing Russian roulette with our culture. The only thing that is "stupid" is to think Islam is compatible with Western culture and society. If you need a reminder of this, think of the reaction of Muslims in Denmark and around the world to a simple cartoon.




It’s easy to paint with broad brushes. After all, it “feels” like not all Muslims are denouncing the actions of ISIS. Well, a few decades ago, not all Christians condemned the bombing of abortion clinics. It’s the nature of narrow ideologies.



I feel like the term "broad brushes" is becoming a tad cliche. Anyhow, sometimes a generalization is necessary since we don't know individuals. Some believe that we can't take away a person's right to privacy and would risk allowing a terrorist or potential terrorist to go undetected. Others think that inconveniencing some people in the slight manner of checking things like phone and bank records in order to stop a problem before it starts or escalates is a small price to pay. I'm in the latter camp, but I'm not without sympathy for the first. I'd say my heart belongs with the former group, but my mind tells me to stay with the latter. Maybe it's because I'm not much into gambling.

As for Christians not condemning the bombing of abortion clinics - they weren't trying to change an entire culture. I know you are smarter than to believe you can compare the motives of the extremist Pro-Lifers with those of ISIS and other Islamic extremists.




Stupid Will Not Be Tolerated


Why not just say what is really going to happen - if someone does not agree with your opinions on the issue, you will wage a campaign of censorship. This would be highly ironic though, since while arguing for the sanctity of our Western values, which include difference of opinion, disagreement, and debate - you would stifle dissent from your own opinion. No, not ironic - hypocritical.




on occasion we’re going to need to filter stupid if the trend we’re seeing is not abated.


Again - if people do not conform to your opinion. Here's a suggestion from a lowly newbie to this site - instead of waging a war of censorship, why not give a compelling argument as to why those who, like me, are cautious about the spread of Islam in the West? Calling us "stupid" or saying we are "intolerant" and "spreading hate" and the like is not a compelling argument. It sounds more like ad hominem attacks from a side that disagrees with something that sounds unpleasant, but has not real counterargument.




Please see the issue for what it is; a global battle to provoke youre stupidity.



Or to exploit the naive?




Don’t paint millions of people with a broad brush of ignorance.

Don’t imply violence against those millions.

Don’t be bigots.

Don’t be stupid.

Be better than the rest of the Internet. This is ATS. We (used to) know how to be better.


Agreed.

Just remember that the fact that Western culture teaches tolerance and the worth of all human life does not mean the same values are instilled in other cultures.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 02:25 AM
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I see the obvious strategy of these "jihadist" acts of terror as being an effective means of mass, trauma-based mind control operations which reverberate across the Internet and do not only effect those who are in the vicinity and their friends and families, but all (capable of empathy) who read and hear about them as well, to one degree or another.

The reaction to trauma is usually shock then anger and outrage. Other people may just go numb.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
Seriously? Maybe I'm reading a different Bible, but I don't see where it says for Christians who follow Christ to go out an murder people if they don't believe. The part I read says to shake the dust from your feet and move on.


In Deuteronomy, you shall be killed if you worship the wrong God. Specifically chapter 17: where God orders the killing of everyone who doesn't believe in him, or even listen to his priests.

In Samuel, God orders the killing of all Amalekites and their livestock.

There's lots of it, as I said.


Christians look at the OT as history, the only thing they look at with any sort of validity is the ten commandments and how the OT points to the coming suffering servant, Christ. Christians follow the NT, and even then follow it in the context of when it was written, to whom, and what the original intending meaning was in context to today...and that's if they have good theology lol.
The crusades, another example people use, were started in defense to the brutal slaughter and takeover by muslims. The muslims murdered thousands and would not allow people to make the pilgrimage to the holy lands, thus the crusaders were called up to take back the holy land and protect the travelers.
To me the only real examples of Christian stupidity and hatred would be the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, and the slaughter of Native Americans. The Spanish Inquisition is unfortunately what happens when any religion, even Christianity, becomes a theocracy. The Salem Witch Trials could be argued as hysteria and all around lack of wisdom and grace during those times...the slaughter of Native Americans, there's not much to argue there, early on they were a people group that were conquered by Spain, England, and France, but their continued mistreatment was truly a tragedy.



posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 02:37 AM
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To me the only real examples of Christian stupidity and hatred would be the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, and the slaughter of Native Americans.

How would you classify the crusades?
Or Westboro?


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