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The Obvious Strategy of The Islamic State Is Working, You’re All Being Stupid

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posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:32 PM

This paranoid Islam, which blames outsider, 'infidels', for all the ills of Muslim societies, and whose proposed remedy is the closing of those societies to the rival project of modernity, is presently the fastest growing version of Islam in the world.

Salman Rushdie

Religion, a mediaeval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. 'This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today. 'I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity. 'Respect for religion’ has become a code phrase meaning ‘fear of religion.’ Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect.

Statement in the Wall Street Journal, Salman Rushdie: ‘I Stand With Charlie Hebdo, as We All Must’ (7 January 2015)

The fundamentalist seeks to bring down a great deal more than buildings. Such people are against, to offer just a brief list, freedom of speech, a multi-party political system, universal adult suffrage, accountable government, Jews, homosexuals, women's rights, pluralism, secularism, short skits, dancing, beardlessness, evolution theory, sex. There are tyrants, not Muslims. United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has said that we should now define ourselves not only by what we are for but by what we are against. I would reverse that proposition, because in the present instance what we are against is a no brainer. Suicidist assassins ram wide-bodied aircraft into the World Trade Center and Pentagon and kill thousands of people: um, I'm against that. But what are we for? What will we risk our lives to defend? Can we unanimously concur that all the items in the preceding list — yes, even the short skirts and the dancing — are worth dying for? The fundamentalist believes that we believe in nothing. In his world-view, he has his absolute certainties, while we are sunk in sybaritic indulgences. To prove him wrong, we must first know that he is wrong. We must agree on what matters: kissing in public places, bacon sandwiches, disagreement, cutting-edge fashion, literature, generosity, water, a more equitable distribution of the world's resources, movies, music, freedom of thought, beauty, love. These will be our weapons. Not by making war but by the unafraid way we choose to live shall we defeat them. How to defeat terrorism? Don't be terrorized. Don't let fear rule your life. Even if you are scared.

Step Across This Line: Collected Nonfiction 1992–2002

A few words for thought.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:32 PM
a reply to: MRuss

You may have missed this...but it absolutely bears repeating:

Only a sliver of terrorism in the west is from Muslims

As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.

It looks like ethno-nationalism (i.e., racism) is a driving force behind the terror seen in Europe. Even Paris has had its own domestic terror in recent years:

We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.

So we see that the tragedy in Paris over the weekend isn't the only "terror attacks" Paris has suffered recently.

Brevik didn't fall too far short of the body count in Paris, given he was just a single person:

Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.

But there wasn't a huge war drum beat to attack those CHristian Terrorists that plague us.

You have been fed a plate full of lies meant to create fear:

In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.

Thats right....your toddler is more deadly to you than a "muslim terrorist".

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:34 PM
a reply to: dreamlotus1111

if muslim people are suffering so badly then why subscribe to being muslim in the first place? usually if i am going to fear for my life and be surrounded by negativity i would not sign up to become a muslim in the first place.

its similar to how some people are raised christian and grow tired of the nonsense and then free themselves from it.

SImple they do not think the ISIS people have anything to do with them, I am agnostic but hailed from a Catholic background I can't turn on my family who are Catholic despite the problem with scandals both historic and modern within the Church, for one would be hard put to find gentler soul than Moms and Grandma , some people will change their view given time and space others will not but at the end of the day, I will be ok with those that take the best parts of their religion and leave the worst parts out, for what you are alluding to is fanatical fundamentalism which none in my family subscribe to.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:38 PM
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

More in regards to "terrorism" which in the end isn't the most serious threat.

What you believe in and how you LIVE is at stake, read Salman above certain ideologies are unacceptable if you have blood in your viens, the beliefs aren't "nice" they are restrictive, psychologically and spiritually corrosive, anti freedom of the individual, based on superstition and counter intuitive to free world.

Terrorism isn't the reason to fight back your way of life is.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:43 PM
a reply to: criticalhit

While I enjoy Rushdie, I have to admit that he is often bordering on neurotic lunacy. Great food for thought, but certainly not a lot more.

My "way of life" can only really be affected by someone taking up quarters in my home. Good luck with that.

Remember: i live on the edge of the Chihuahua desert in West Texas. Our population density is less than 1 person per sq mile. The stuff you describe would relate more to our big cities. They are already quite multicultural.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:47 PM
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

He wrote "a book" and people want to kill him because it criticized their religion.

That makes him Neurotic and paranoid?

You know I like to smoke here or there... and i've been told in the past I was being paranoid when needing to drive. The problem I have with that statement is "the cops were actually out to get me"

just sayin....

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:48 PM
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Brevik was a strange bird. He described himself as a Christian only in the sense that Western Civ has Christian roots, so by his definition, any atheist raised in a Western Civ country is a Christian just like Brevik.

If you want more genuine Christian terrorist, just fall back to the abortion clinic bombers and the guy who murdered Tiller.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:48 PM
Proud of investors on Wall Street today. On what some were saying was going to be a small crash, the first day of trading since the terrible events on Friday turned out to be a rally and shows solidarity behind the French for what they have had to endure, and also what they are doing about it. (oh yea, military stocks were up as well!)

It is certainly no solace to the families and friends of those poor people that lost their lives, but it is an indicator of support.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:52 PM
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Well said SkepticOverlord!

The amount of hatred, and ignorance is piling up to a big bunch of narrowminded BS, to say atleast.

I blame ½ on this on the media. Every channel went nuts friday night. Then the entire saturday with the same story over and over and over again!

Ofcourse its despicable what happened in Paris. Absolutely disgusting! :/

But repeating the same story over and over again, just made everyone hate or fear muslims even more.
Alot of muslims made their distance to this act many places over, but was mostly ignored, by the big media.

This is exactly what "they" want. Divide and conquer ppl all over, but now its Europe's time. And boy! Did the entire Europe just get polarized!

You wont believe the hate mail all over! I got threats because i have posted some pictures in the past of the atrocities done in Palestine. Now i'm a declared "muslim-lover", a traitor, and a possible terrorist too. lol!
Its absolutely going too far!

I chose to shut up for a while, till things calm down, and the facts will surface.
Im afraid the facts will be horrendous, and ofcourse distorted...

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:53 PM

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:56 PM

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
The difference is the Christian's prophet said no such thing and never instructed any such thing. For Muslims', you could say that it's a core belief of their prophet.

There are a great many modern Christians who consider Moses to be a major prophet because of what's in Deuteronomy (among other things). And Deuteronomy, written by Moses, directs the Israelites to kill all those who believe in other Gods (chapter 17).

And in Acts 3:23, Peter attributes this to Jesus: "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people," referencing Old Testament directives to kill non-believers.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 07:59 PM

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

The global battle that you refer to is about 10,000 some odd people living in Muslim nations that are trying to provoke moderate westerners into being as extreme as them. Its a "burn the house down" approach. And it results from the West spending the last couple of generations doing their level best to cover the entire middle east in the fecal matter of western business interests.

Whatever the numbers, it's the end goal that is in debate here. That sort literally would rather destroy everything than see those they don't like with anything. You can't blame it on "the West", either, because it's a lot older than that. A lot of the unrest is very old, going all the way back to Isaac and Ishmael.

As for business interests, there is plenty of wealth in these Middle Eastern nations; it's simply held by a few, as was the case in other cultures for a long time. Many are very poor because some hold the power and wealth.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 08:00 PM

originally posted by: combatmaster
You call this 'weaponized Islam'.... this is a made up notion.

The idea is not made up, just a new term that was coined by me. Do some research on Operation Cyclone, where the US created and funded training centers in Pakistan, that focused on a newly intensely radicalized version of Islam, for the mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan.

The bread crumbs of ISIS lead back to the US's Operation Cyclone.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 08:05 PM
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 08:05 PM
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I'd gladly change my words from "Islam" to religion, but frankly the other 2 monos aren't acting up in any manner that is spreading atm while no 3 is straight up crusading if not by war then by physical location and geography.

Kind of a lot of argumentation to handle at once

I resent how long it has taken to be largely in a position of having an upper hand on these guys in the West. It shouldn't be thrown away by having vast sympathy for more of the same from the ME.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 08:08 PM
a reply to: criticalhit

I didn't say neurotic and paranoid. I said some of the things he writes borders on neurotic lunacy.

If im being honest, that isn't unusual for "thinkers" and philosophists. Especially when they try to over reach by using bad logic to support a viewpoint.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 08:09 PM

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
The Friday the 13th massacre left a weird picture in blood

Sure does look like a eye there and no bloody footprints


what is that second picture?

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 08:10 PM

originally posted by: crayzeed
And I ask again (and I don't mean arming anyone) what would you do to resolve the situation. The Muslims must know if THEY don't sort it out they WILL get tarred with the same brush.

I don't think it can be solved in the next 100 years.

The only solution is broader enlightenment of all of humanity where the conditions that inspire hate and radical ideologies no longer exist.

posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 08:12 PM
Speaking from experience, before 9/11:

My friend from Turkey, who used to live here, who teaches the Koran in a university in Turkey now, and is well respected told me the mechanics of radicalism in the Muslim society that has emigrated to other countries. Here is what I learned:

When a Muslim from a middle eastern country visits extended family and friends that have emigrated to another country and that muslim is an extreme radical muslim and perhaps their family/friends that they're visiting here is not that way the family/friends here puts on an act so they don't get a "bad muslim" report to the relatives/friends back home. Sounds silly, but it's true, they're scared for their family, their lives if they get a bad report on them.

Basically, the radicals are like having a mafia member in your extended family/friend group, the nice family won't turn them in due to repercussions to their family. He also told me they consider each son assigned a duty, oldest son: property or family business; second son: go away and find your fortune and have many children; third son: achieve paradise for your family which is martyrdom and is told it is his only duty.

So the nice ones are scared of them and can't turn down a visit from them as it would be considered being a "bad muslim" to behave that way, and if they turn them in they will be labeled "bad muslims" and they and their families would become targets.

So, don't believe me? Ask one of your nice muslim friends how they behave, and what they agree to in conversations when relatives or friends from home visit?


ETA: My friends sole purpose at this time is to teach in the university that this is wrong and he's been doing so for many years now in Turkey.
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posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 08:15 PM
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Absolutely right. This will take generations to fix and heal. And much of the onus is on us as well as them.

ETA: But I don't seeing us even starting for a while...not with the geopolitical climate the way it is now. And I'm an optimist.
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