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Paris Attacks Planned, Coordinated with Military Precision by High-School Drop-out

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posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: soficrow

Call it Gladio or Gladio B and has never been dealt with .Europe seems to have a Hugh problem ,not so much from foreign jehadist but with fellow countrymen that have been allowed to take on this mentality . If it was as simple as knowing who the people from outside were and isolating them it could be one approach but you have young people from all over Europe joining the ranks of ISIS ....BIG BIG problems ....




posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: Marlborough Red

originally posted by: crazyewok
And when he is caaught he will get a nice comfy prison cell and be out after a decade or two cause of his EU Human rights....



Ha ha I doubt that.

He's a dead man walking.

Of course he might end up wrapped in body bag and dumped in the ocean.....

MR


I think you underestimate the pussification and stupidity of EU bureaucrats.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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He doesn't seem very intelligent, he didn't manage to get any of his men into the stadium. He didn't foresee they would be searched? Getting out of a car and shooting people sat outside a cafe is not particularly hard or creeping up on people in an enclosed space and shooting them whilst they're distracted by a band.

The only tricky part of all this was getting the guns I suppose. They apparently used encrypted apps to communicate, apps that are widely available and made by someone else. All very basic. If I was going to have suspicions about this being some kind of staged event it would come from them not getting past security to get into the Stadium. They are either extremely dumb or someone somewhere didn't want the president to be harmed but was happy for the public in Paris to be targets. I don't find it too hard to believe they are all quite dim to be honest.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: Marlborough Red

originally posted by: crazyewok
And when he is caaught he will get a nice comfy prison cell and be out after a decade or two cause of his EU Human rights....


He's a dead man walking.

Of course he might end up wrapped in body bag and dumped in the ocean.....

MR


I doubt it - the West needs a walkin' talkin' live boogey man.



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posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

Yes. Gladio.


Operation Gladio

The power hierarchy of Gladio remains unclear to this day, but has frequently bypassed elected national leaders. When the European Union learned of the existence of Gladio, it passed a resolution mandating national investigations to reveal what was going on, but as of 2014, only Italy, Belgium and Switzerland have carried out such parliamentary investigations. A large question mark therefore remains over the role that Operation Gladio has played, and continues to play in influencing events. It seems very likely that the deep state controls these forces whether through the national intelligence services or in more informal fashion. The connection, in particular, with false flag terrorist attacks is particularly concerning.



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posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: DrHammondStoat
He doesn't seem very intelligent, ...


Operations are carried out to support a particular outcome. In this case, the operation resulted in major bombing of ISIS strongholds defended by handheld firearms, and also, leaders at the G20 summit pledged renewed support for previously waning anti-ISIS operations.

If ISIS planned this, it was a major fail. But...

If it was a Gladio Operation, it was HUGELY successful.


Who knows? Looks like we are supposed to think Abaaoud was smart enough and experienced enough to pull off this complex operation, but too stupid to predict the predictable consequences.








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posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: soficrow

Hang on a second, why is nobody bringing up the "App" they supposedly used, that is unhackable?

I mean, if they could communicate, basically untraceable, instantly, how hard would this really be to plan? And everything didn't exactly go to plan as it was, right?

I'm not saying I agree that he is the one that came up with this, but if they had the "app", It seems like anyone could coordinate with it.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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I don't see it as a major fail for IS, they slaughtered hundreds of people. Yes I agree that some operations could be engineered by the security services or higher up but that doesn't rule out people going into public places and shooting people or making bombs. There are people who are Muslim who truly believe they should be killing non-believers.

It's interesting that when these kinds of attacks happen in other countries such as Syria or Turkey, they are generally believed to be genuine terrorist attacks, if some thing happens in Europe or the US, people shout 'false flag' straight away.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat
He doesn't seem very intelligent, ...


Operations are carried out to support a particular outcome. In this case, the operation resulted in major bombing of ISIS strongholds defended by handheld firearms, and also, leaders at the G20 summit pledged renewed support for previously waning anti-ISIS operations.

If ISIS planned this, it was a major fail. But...

If it was a Gladio Operation, it was HUGELY successful.


Who knows? Looks like we are supposed to think Abaaoud was smart enough and experienced enough to pull off this complex operation, but too stupid to predict the predictable consequences.




Well, we could also say, Putin did it. It works for him too. Now the world sees him as a saviour who was truely bombing ISIS positions from before, while France was bombing the wrong guys(pro Assad), BUT after this attack they join Russia and together bomb ISIS(anti Assad). If Gladio is pro NATO, then this is a majot fail for them.
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posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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Well, let's just do a quick inventory of some other High School drop-outs shall we?

David Karp...dropped out at age 15...created and sold Tumblr to Yahoo for $1.1 billion
Richard Branson...dropped out at age 16...CEO of Virgin, and worth about $4.6 billion
Kirk Kerkorian...dropped out of school in Grade 8...Casino magnate worth about $3.3 billion
Francois Pinault...high school drop-out, now worth a paltry $15 billion

To name just a few...

I don't think your conspiracy theory, on this one, is going to hang straight, based on this guy's purported lack of a High School diploma.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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Seriously OP?
I could have planned it. Anybody could have.

You realize the attack consisted of suicide bombers and AKs right?

Any moron can fire an AK. Just like any moron can blow themselves up.

Also, they DID partly fail. The bomber at the football game killed only a single security gaurd.

How the hell do you screw up a suicide bombing OP? Seems like these guys are given WAY too much credit.

If the bombs and weapons were already acquired this attack could have taken days to plan. 6 events at least are happening in every major city literally every weekend night.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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I think the real expert is the guy who made the bomb vests...I think that takes skill and expertise. So it's not the planner but the bomb maker. Of course, a really, really smart kid COULD make bomb vests that can be detonated at will, but that's a really, really, really smart kid.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:32 PM
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IF they had the app. Big IF. Also, they would still need access to weapons etc., and the ability to move them around while totally evading ALL kinds of surveillance.

How likely is that? (Seriously.)


S&



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: DrHammondStoat
a reply to: soficrow

It's interesting that when these kinds of attacks happen in other countries such as Syria or Turkey, they are generally believed to be genuine terrorist attacks, if some thing happens in Europe or the US, people shout 'false flag' straight away.


Hmm. I've heard the Middle East attacks referred to as 'false flags.' Depends who you read/talk to I guess.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

If the goal was to get more BIG MONEY for the military-industrial complex, it was a HUGE success.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: mobiusmale

Wrong focus, and not my theory. Again, seems we are supposed to think Abaaoud was smart enough and experienced enough to pull off this complex coordinated operation, but too stupid to predict the predictable consequences.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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I personally do believe it is not unlikely that this guy was the "mastermind" behind the attacks.

1) He does have personal experience on the field
2) The communication took place in PS4 servers. Considering that he is high-school dropout (which does not mean he is not intelligent, there are multiple possible reasons for dropping out, either being internet-addiction, social pressure, mindset not liking authority etc etc).

I personally do believe he has strong experience in video games (which can be extremely realistic when it comes to strategic planning as teams). Being able to communicate with other with similar worldviews, being able to grow connection between each other, making plans. In addition to that he gained contacts in ISIS camp. I believe he was trained from the start, given the skills, the contacts in Paris, known ways to avoid being spotted as possible terrorist. I think that guy does think he is the mastermind behind the plans, yet from ISIS viewpoint he was just a puppet being trained for it and he accomplished his main goal.



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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I could have planned it. Anybody could have. ...If the bombs and weapons were already acquired this attack could have taken days to plan. 6 events at least are happening in every major city literally every weekend night.


Planning is one thing, execution is another. Europe was on high alert with intelligence, security forces and surveillance - Abaaoud was in Syria - but somehow all the bits and parts and people came together near perfectly in Paris, under his command? Ya' think?



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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I think the real expert is the guy who made the bomb vests...I think that takes skill and expertise. So it's not the planner but the bomb maker. Of course, a really, really smart kid COULD make bomb vests that can be detonated at will, but that's a really, really, really smart kid.


I think Abaaoud could be really, really, really smart. I don't think his education level matters much. I think a really, really, smart kid could plan this operation, and make such a bomb vest, locate sources for all the needed weapons and materials and pull together all the right people needed to carry out the plan.

I just don't think he could do it without on-the-ground professional "assistance" - from nearby Belgium or over 3000 km away in Syria.


Does that clear things up?



posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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The scumbag is receiving far too much credit (if guilty).

Luckily, the majority of the attacks were amateur at best as most of the suicide bombers didn't even kill anyone except themselves - which is pretty impossible to do in a place as busy as Paris.

I'm not trying to downplay the tragedy as what they did was horrible but only one of the attacks (at the concerthall) was actually 'successful' for want of a better word.

The first bomber failed to get access to the stadium, the rest panicked and blew themselves up - while a tragedy is a tragedy - this was luckily a very poorly executed one. Had they achieved their apparent intention of getting inside the stadium the toll would be in the 1000s, if not 100,000s.

I have every sympathy for the victims and their families and know the feeling of terror from having family there and freinds in the same Belgian town - but don't give into the propaganda of these nutters and make them out to be clever or organised.

They failed, we will prevail.


originally posted by: amazing
I think the real expert is the guy who made the bomb vests...I think that takes skill and expertise. So it's not the planner but the bomb maker. Of course, a really, really smart kid COULD make bomb vests that can be detonated at will, but that's a really, really, really smart kid.


It's disturbingly easy - when I was an idiotic litttle 10/11 year old me and some mates stupidly used to make mini bombs from things taken from the kitchen and garage - luckily we didn't kill ourselves or anyone else as we had no real knowledge of chemical reactions, circuitry and the like - just stupid teen bravado. It took 5 - 6 minutes to design the 'bomb' carrier and detonation device - obviously I'm not going to go into any detail on how this was done so anyone is free to disbelieve the statement.
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