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originally posted by: saadad
a reply to: trifecta
Can I keep on asking about benefits? So you have all this power, what do you do with your day?
Don't say you just watch those beings jump in the dark and try not to get scared. Can you make the earth better place? Or if you don't want to, why?
Robert Monroe is a profit maker guy and he sells the crap that you can find online for free. So I think he is not worth to be mention here, unless all this awakening is just that.
I have some (hopefully constructive) criticism on the original poster's agenda.
There are numerous cases of contradiction in some of your posts - I won't go down the road of quoting and itemising
Most of your posts in other threads are very certain and you carry a sense of privilege and "tease" interested folks through mention of various phenomena and allusions to secrets and prophecy.
To cut to the cold hard chase, it seems: You and a couple of others seem to be engaged in a spiritual pissing contest.
I hope I'm wrong.
Because in case you are not aware there is no shortage of first hand experiences from people who experienced kundalini awakening and they are slightly different from what you posted.
originally posted by: gggilll
It's exactly what happens to many people who become obsessed with "spiritual awakening" and stuff like that.
It's actually a classical and documented pitfall of many spiritual paths, and yet tons of people fall for it, craving for the attention their "special knowledge" seems to give them, some even becoming fraudulent or self-absorbed gurus.
The reality is that this thing called "kundalini awakening" as been studied by many people and we have now a better understanding of it. It's not something supernatural, but more of an array of symptoms related to the nervous system.
It doesn't guarantee secret knowledge or higher wisdom. It's not limited to people who are into spiritual or esoteric stuff. It's actually almost the same process happening for people in traumatic situation, NDE, spiritual crisis or even psychotic breaks.
It's not a safe process and it can actually be quite damaging to the nervous system and the brain.
Basically it's not something that should be sought after (otherwise it's an unhealthy obsession), nor should it be thought as a sign of spiritual development, which it is not as shown by the countless accounts of spiritual people who become crazy or absorbed in their own grandeur.
The best thing we can do about it is to stop talking about it with pseudo-scientific and pseudo-spiritual texts, but to refer to clear and critical information on the subject for anyone truly interested.
Like this excellent book for example written by a medical doctor after studying dozens of cases:
If this site is about denying ignorance, then let's deny the ignorance surrounding this "kundalini" thing because there is plenty of good info about it already.
originally posted by: gggilll
originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: gggilll
In same cases the less you know the better, so you don't have any expectations, which is most important with spiritual stuff. Once you start to expect something, than this is already a trap which ego is guilty of. And from spiritual point this is not good.
This is excellent advice
And the very reason why I said more cons than pros (it's not out of fear); today there are too many people who jump into this out of curiosity or self-centered motives (to have "powers" or special knowledge or to be better than others). Most of these people will have their experienced tainted by their motives and either will suffer psychological trauma, or fall for self-aggrandizing delusions.
It's not me being afraid but me being realistic. The context isn't the same in the modern western world and in the ancient eastern world.
Today in the modern western world people are more materialistic and self centered, and it is bad when mixed with breakthrough experiences and will cause spiritual crisis and other mental discomforts and ailments.
As you said, it's not important. It's a natural process and should remain that way. People who claim it's something "special" like in the OP are only going to attract more unprepared people into it out of unhealthy curiosity.
Again, this book is a much better way to jump into the topic as it lists tons of different experience and present them from an external and critical point of view:
originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn
I would say, objective reality is an absolute, and that it consists of a generally agreed view and exists wether I observe it or not, the evidence for this is overwhelming. However, how much does the subjective/objective interact who knows and that is a large philosophical question. Yes I think therefor I am, I understand the subjective arguments, other than a brain exercise such arguments hold very little weight. Also the OP is a funny one, he once took pictures that were shaky and blurred and claimed they were "astral entities", is that the agreed upon reality that consists of laws and logic?
I know the "reality is a holographic matrix" is popular around here, but it is largely misunderstood so careful with that kind of ideas
What sciences acknowledges so far is that the further we look into the fabric of our universe, the more we discover it looks like it works according to the laws ruling our observation tools.
Which is only logical since when you think about it; we are limited by the language, the information theory, the laws of optics, to observe and describe things so it's unlikely we will someday get the full picture (or even a slightly bigger one) unless we invent new observation tools and new ways to express and store information.
Also I believe there was also one theory about our experienced reality being a 3D holographic projection of a reality with more dimensions, like a holographic picture is printed on a 2D plane but the original image is a 3D one.
But I don't think any searchers is claiming we are living in some kind of computer simulation despite what tabloids are sometimes wrongly relaying. It's only their habit of putting sensational titles by willingly completely misinterpreting what people are actually saying.
originally posted by: trifecta
Really? Do shed light on your personal Kundalini experience. You're fully "Awakened" I presume? Please describe the vertex of your enlightenment.
originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
I made a thread about all this a while ago...where I explain why it is possible that we actually do live in a simulation, it`s just so sophisticated that we think it couldn`t possibly be one...
Thou anoinest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.”
Esoterically this scripture is talking about the hormonal secretions within the brain that take place as the Holy Ghost (prana and chi) rise up the spine and enter the glandular system in our skulls.
The physical body is a highly complex electromagnetic field, and certain EM frequencies have a harmonizing effect on the brain as a whole. The synchronization of complex glands affects consciousness in profound ways. And since the body is an electromagnetic field, rituals such as meditation, mantras, and visualization must all produce certain waves and frequencies that, when done properly, can help to harmonize the different areas of the brain and produce the divine marriage within.