Go on America, vote this clown in....I double dare ya.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn

America, where an actual citizen or businessman can be president. As long as they are from, or a puppet of, Banks / Corporations / Old Money.

There, now it's nice and accurate.

That anyone would think any of them are credible, is an instant dismissal of whatever rant they're bringing.

I promise you, there are just as many who think about the same about you. The instant dismissal of the rant, that is.

Trump - Troll
H. Clinton - Shill
Carson - Total *@!#ing lunatic.
Jeb - A bush.
Bush Jr. - International laughingstock, committer of war crimes, etc.
Bush Sr. - CIA (pawn?)
Obama - Sellout
Sanders - ??? (Do not say Socialist because that is factually incorrect.)
Reagon - Ruined economy.
B. Clinton - Further ruined economy.

You guys really need to drop the partisan attitude. It isn't Red Vs. Blue, it's "American Citizens Vs. Everyone Who Wants to Screw and Exploit Them and their Country"
Every. Every politician. (Except Sanders, Ron Paul, a few others) is nestled quite firmly on the side of the fence that isn't "American Citizens."
The Democrats suck just as much as the Republicans. They may not be as openly insane, but they have screwed everything up just as much.

It's a conspiracy site, so your deep suspicions of republicans are richly appreciated.

Bush 1 was a fighter pilot, college ballplayer, and a guy who protected America as CIA, FBI, and President.

He was still merely a shadow of Reagan. A guy who knew the progressive game as a dem Gov of CA, but a better American so he realized that they had all become haters of America. He went on to do just the opposite, loving America enough to repair her glory after Carter, and put the USSR and communism away for once and for all.

Of course you hate Carson, a man who saved the lives of countless children and spent his life serving the sick. Because he doesn't join in with hating religion and America.

Bush 2 - meh, ineffectual. But a good American and Christian, who actually cared about others. Don't get off on the war crimes too silly, or you'll just have to rail against all the dems and UN and euros who agreed with him.

haha, Obama sellout. He didn't junk the US badly enough for you ? Support islam and socialism and LGBT against American interests hard enough ?

a reply to: veracity

Well, it does make him a liar, but beside that I really couldn't care less about his bedding preferences unless it was with a child. The issue I have with Bill Clinton is that he took what Reagan did - helping the corporations and wealthy get richer at the expense of everyone - and kept going, he SPRINTED with that ball all the way to China.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I don't know much about that corporation thing, however, I work for one I do believe they are necessary evils. I hate them, swore I would never work for one. However, they DO have good healthcare and stability.

So are they really as bad as I make them out to be? (probably not)

I picked to work for one bc I wanted good health insurance for me and my child. I would never get it on my own. With new new ACA, (if rep. govs expanded Medicaid in the red states so that it would be more affordable) I can now venture on my dream of making art, and so can others, we can be a more colorful community bc health insurance is not an issue, no more pre-existing conditions, no more working for corporations for good health insurance. The world can be more colorful...however...I am still working at this corporation bc its comfortable, grrr.

sorry to rant

originally posted by: stevieray
It's a conspiracy site, so your deep suspicions of republicans are richly appreciated.

Bush 1 was a fighter pilot, college ballplayer, and a guy who protected America as CIA, FBI, and President.

He was still merely a shadow of Reagan. A guy who knew the progressive game as a dem Gov of CA, but a better American so he realized that they had all become haters of America. He went on to do just the opposite, loving America enough to repair her glory after Carter, and put the USSR and communism away for once and for all.

Of course you hate Carson, a man who saved the lives of countless children and spent his life serving the sick. Because he doesn't join in with hating religion and America.

Bush 2 - meh, ineffectual. But a good American and Christian, who actually cared about others. Don't get off on the war crimes too silly, or you'll just have to rail against all the dems and UN and euros who agreed with him.

haha, Obama sellout. He didn't junk the US badly enough for you ? Support islam and socialism and LGBT against American interests hard enough ?

It is not so much "Suspicion of Republicans" as it is "Suspicion of Politicians."

Yes, I'm not so sure about Bush Sr. which is why I put a question mark next to him. Perhaps he truly was a great man, his son certainly wasn't. College ballplayer is meaningless, though fighter pilot is a thumbs up.

I do not "Hate" Carson, and if he has saved the lives of countless children then that is excellent. His religion is meaningless to me, I don't care as long as he doesn't bring it into his policies. Separation of church and state, remember? I am agnostic. It's a thing that lets me do that. I simply think that he has completely lost the plot.

No, not the Iraq war, that one's up in the air though rapidly losing altitude. He authorized. Torture. That is a war crime. Full. Stop. I don't care that he was Christian. Who else was with him on that one? I'll rally against them too.

He did sell out. To big pharma. Wait, you think supporting LGBT is a bad thing?
I am actually curious as to how you can support Islam (I am assuming you mean radical Islam) and LGBT at the same time. They don't seem to mix very well.
Last I checked, LGBT people were also Americans. I guess they aren't true Americans, eh?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray

America, where an actual citizen or businessman can be president. Not somebody from, or a puppet of, Lords / Dukes / Earls.

Actually any can be PM here......

Hell you have more of a heredtary leadership than we do!

2 roosevelts

2 Bushes

And possibly 2 Clintons

All in the last century.

None of our PM's have been related and most are from common stock.

That still does not adress my point about Trump only a few years ago being a card carrying illegal hireing democrat who was best buds with the clintons. Yes anyone can be president even turns coats and political plants.

originally posted by: stevieray
Who would you vote for ? Just curious. Typically those who can't bring enough insults and tales about Trump, Carson, Cruz......tend to be slavish supporters of the true lunatics & criminals like Clinton, Sanders, Obama, Reid, Pelosi.

I told you Rand paul. Think its the secound time I said that.

I think his economic views, foreign policu and views on decentrlisation make a lot of sense.

Carson I would tolerate as a secound best but only because I would not want a Bush, Clinton or Trump and Sanders means well but he policys would not work in the USA.

originally posted by: stevieray
Don't tell us....you like the weakest, most ineffectual GOP guys.....Kasich, Jeb, etc.

No idea who Kasich is and god another Bush would be just as bad as a secound Clinton.

Up until recently, political dynasties in America came from formerly poor people who succeeded in pure capitalism. Roosevelts, Rockefellers, Bushes (though their oil success spilled over into royalty & politics in the ME), Kennedies, etc.

Vanderbilts, Duponts, Mellons, Waltons, are out there influencing things, just not many politicians.

The Clintons changed that with a possible dynasty based in pure corruption and crime, even against America as we're seeing with Hillary.

Better than whoever was given vast tracks of land and a title, in the 1500's. I know that's evolved some in europe over the years, but your chambers are still overrun with inter-bred mongoloids from that caste.

Though I do agree, we don't need any more of any of them. Especially the Kennedies and Clintons, who have no low or bottom for what they'll say and do, to claw their way back in the game.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I don't know much about that corporation thing, however, I work for one I do believe they are necessary evils. I hate them, swore I would never work for one. However, they DO have good healthcare and stability.

So are they really as bad as I make them out to be? (probably not)

I picked to work for one bc I wanted good health insurance for me and my child. I would never get it on my own. With new new ACA, (if rep. govs expanded Medicaid in the red states so that it would be more affordable) I can now venture on my dream of making art, and so can others, we can be a more colorful community bc health insurance is not an issue, no more pre-existing conditions, no more working for corporations for good health insurance. The world can be more colorful...however...I am still working at this corporation bc its comfortable, grrr.

sorry to rant

The corps. companies, and CEO's only pay for the lives of millions of families to exist and prosper. Houses, food, kids' college, 401K's, etc.

So be mad at them for getting rich at the same time, I guess.

Not directed at you, just the "crowd".

originally posted by: stevieray

It's a conspiracy site, so your deep suspicions of republicans are richly appreciated.

Seeing as he/she (?) had democrats on that list I would say suspicions of all politicans (R) or (D)
Same as me really.

originally posted by: stevieray
Bush 1 was a fighter pilot, college ballplayer, and a guy who protected America as CIA, FBI, and President.

RAR RAR RAR!

BUSH Hero of the USA!

originally posted by: stevieray
He went on to do just the opposite, loving America enough to repair her glory after Carter, and put the USSR and communism away for once and for all.

REGAN HERO OF THE USA!

Such a hero he basicaly commited treason in Iran-Contra scandal!

Esclated the war on drugs! Dam those people with personal freedom over there bodys! We must jail them! Burn hundreds of Billions on the great idea of prohibitioin that been proven not to work!




Bush 2 - meh, ineffectual. But a good American and Christian,

Because a man should be judged on his religion!

And such a good American he started a war to pad his bank acount!

And he must be a patriot too right? He introduced the patriot act! Yes a great thing garenteeing your freedo.....O wait no it stripped your freedoms!

Such a good American he sold your economy down the crapper for his banker friends!

a reply to: veracity

It depends on the corporation. Smaller ones can be fine, but once they get to the size of the larger banks and Walmart they become a pestilence on humanity.

Yeah, sorry for your healthcare system. Actually, it's a thing I often hear when people over here (Aus) talk about moving to America. "I'd like to live there, but the healthcare is atrocious, and the income inequality is disgusting."

The issue isn't necessarily "corporations are bad", it's more "crony capitalism" and "the government letting corporations get away with basically anything" that is bad.

The corps. companies, and CEO's only pay for the lives of millions of families to exist and prosper. Houses, food, kids' college, 401K's, etc.

So be mad at them for getting rich at the same time, I guess.

Not directed at you, just the "crowd".

Oh, oh god. You really believe that? You aren't being sarcastic? Please tell me you're being sarcastic. I don't think you mean that. You can't mean that. "Prosper"? Truly? Prosper? I think you mean "Scrape by in a hellish existence."

originally posted by: stevieray


Better than whoever was given vast tracks of land and a title, in the 1500's. I know that's evolved some in europe over the years, but your chambers are still overrun with inter-bred mongoloids from that caste.

Really I would quite saying things you think you know about the UK, really I would. You obviously have no clue about our politics, history, way of life or geography, your making yourself look like a complete uneducated fool.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn

originally posted by: stevieray
It's a conspiracy site, so your deep suspicions of republicans are richly appreciated.

Bush 1 was a fighter pilot, college ballplayer, and a guy who protected America as CIA, FBI, and President.

He was still merely a shadow of Reagan. A guy who knew the progressive game as a dem Gov of CA, but a better American so he realized that they had all become haters of America. He went on to do just the opposite, loving America enough to repair her glory after Carter, and put the USSR and communism away for once and for all.

Of course you hate Carson, a man who saved the lives of countless children and spent his life serving the sick. Because he doesn't join in with hating religion and America.

Bush 2 - meh, ineffectual. But a good American and Christian, who actually cared about others. Don't get off on the war crimes too silly, or you'll just have to rail against all the dems and UN and euros who agreed with him.

haha, Obama sellout. He didn't junk the US badly enough for you ? Support islam and socialism and LGBT against American interests hard enough ?

It is not so much "Suspicion of Republicans" as it is "Suspicion of Politicians."

Yes, I'm not so sure about Bush Sr. which is why I put a question mark next to him. Perhaps he truly was a great man, his son certainly wasn't. College ballplayer is meaningless, though fighter pilot is a thumbs up.

I do not "Hate" Carson, and if he has saved the lives of countless children then that is excellent. His religion is meaningless to me, I don't care as long as he doesn't bring it into his policies. Separation of church and state, remember? I am agnostic. It's a thing that lets me do that. I simply think that he has completely lost the plot.

No, not the Iraq war, that one's up in the air though rapidly losing altitude. He authorized. Torture. That is a war crime. Full. Stop. I don't care that he was Christian. Who else was with him on that one? I'll rally against them too.

He did sell out. To big pharma. Wait, you think supporting LGBT is a bad thing?
I am actually curious as to how you can support Islam (I am assuming you mean radical Islam) and LGBT at the same time. They don't seem to mix very well.
Last I checked, LGBT people were also Americans. I guess they aren't true Americans, eh?

Same people who went to war with Bush 2 looked the other way on interrogation, until it became a popular political tool.

College ballplayer is actually important to a lot of Americans. Culturally anyway.

Separation of church and state has absolutely nothing to do with someone stating their beliefs. Some nerve on that guy, eh ? You have to actually have a complaint about how he governs, to use that worn-out old meme.

LGBT are indeed citizens, and supporting them in many ways is A-OK. Supporting any 1 % of America to run roughshod over the other 99 % through threats, blackmail, boycotts, labels and name calling........and their demands for changes to vast parts of the 99 %'s lives.....not good in my estimation.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray


Better than whoever was given vast tracks of land and a title, in the 1500's. I know that's evolved some in europe over the years, but your chambers are still overrun with inter-bred mongoloids from that caste.

Really I would quite saying things you think you know about the UK, really I would. You obviusly have no clue about our politics, history, way of life or geography you makeing yourself look like a compelete uneducated fool.

This post is simple - "your dum and dont no nuthin".

You could have saved time and finger cells by distilling it down to that.

Meanwhile, I'm happy to state the obvious that's well known.

Funny how you don't mind going on and on about all things America.

a reply to: crazyewok

I find it very interesting to see what other countries say about our politics, thanks Eilas.

a reply to: crazyewok

"Really I would quite saying things you think you know about the UK, really I would. You obviusly have no clue about our politics, history, way of life or geography you makeing yourself look like a compelete uneducated fool. --crazyewok"

How ironic how that post says more about you than Eilasvaleleyn

a reply to: veracity

It's a very commonly held view that the US's healthcare system is incredibly terrible. Even personally, it's one of the largest reasons I could never bring myself to move there.

I think you muddled your posts, by the way.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I agree, its corrupt. I lived without health insurance for 10 yrs bc I could not afford it with my "pre-existing" conditions.

The ACA is a step towards making it better, anyone who disagrees is clearly misinformed.

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray


Better than whoever was given vast tracks of land and a title, in the 1500's. I know that's evolved some in europe over the years, but your chambers are still overrun with inter-bred mongoloids from that caste.

Really I would quite saying things you think you know about the UK, really I would. You obviusly have no clue about our politics, history, way of life or geography you makeing yourself look like a compelete uneducated fool.

This post is simple - "your dum and dont no nuthin".

You could have saved time and finger cells by distilling it down to that.

Meanwhile, I'm happy to state the obvious that's well known.

Funny how you don't mind going on and on about all things America.

Didn’t say you were dumb. Just you don’t seem to know much about the UK.

Likely not your fault because of the dismal state of US education.

As for me? I did actually study American history in collage as part of a world history course. Know how the different branches of your government are meant to work (but we both know dont), can name all 50 states and know how to place them on a map and have travelled around a couple of them.

a reply to: stevieray

Then they should be convicted of war crimes, too. I am not being ambiguous on this.

I am aware of that, though college ballplayer doesn't really mean "good person." It's understandable it would make Americans like him more, though. You guys really seem to love your college football. Almost depressingly so.

Erm, what are you talking about? I specifically said that I didn't care that he was religious, and that it was fine as long as his religion didn't overtly influence his policies.

What vast changes? Unless "don't be bigoted" is a vast change, I'm unaware of those. I think you're better off saying that all the LGBT supporting stuff is good, but the issue comes when a (minority) of such people use it as a lever or inappropriately. Honestly, people are too sensitive about this stuff. I hope for the day when being LGBT isn't even given a second thought. That's the ideal, thinking of it as "just natural."
Then all the problems will go away, and it will be as they should be.
Please don't tell me you're against same-sex marriage or trans people in bathrooms.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I agree, its corrupt. I lived without health insurance for 10 yrs bc I could not afford it with my "pre-existing" conditions.

The ACA is a step towards making it better, anyone who disagrees is clearly misinformed.

It really is quite appalling. Probably the biggest part of the problem are the people who believe that having a socialist healthcare system like Aus or... Well, every other large developed nation is a terrible thing. If the citizens united on it, they could stage massive protests saying "Give healthcare that isn't extortionist."

But, alas. Unless Sanders is elected and gets his healthcare system through I won't be moving to the US any time soon.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: stevieray


Better than whoever was given vast tracks of land and a title, in the 1500's. I know that's evolved some in europe over the years, but your chambers are still overrun with inter-bred mongoloids from that caste.

Really I would quite saying things you think you know about the UK, really I would. You obviusly have no clue about our politics, history, way of life or geography you makeing yourself look like a compelete uneducated fool.

This post is simple - "your dum and dont no nuthin".

You could have saved time and finger cells by distilling it down to that.

Meanwhile, I'm happy to state the obvious that's well known.

Funny how you don't mind going on and on about all things America.

Didnt say you were dumb. Just you dont seem to know much about the UK.

Likley not your fault because of the dissmal state of US education.

As for me? I did actually study American history in collage as part of a world history course. Know how the diffrent branches of your goverment are meant to work (but we both know dont), can name all 50 states and know how to place them on a map and have travelled around a couple of them.

Well, the "I'm smart, you're not" AKA "I know, you don't" retort is pretty much what I was alluding to.

And use spell check when you're touting your smartness. It's just one of those things.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I agree, its corrupt. I lived without health insurance for 10 yrs bc I could not afford it with my "pre-existing" conditions.

The ACA is a step towards making it better, anyone who disagrees is clearly misinformed.

It really is quite appalling. Probably the biggest part of the problem are the people who believe that having a socialist healthcare system like Aus or... Well, every other large developed nation is a terrible thing. If the citizens united on it, they could stage massive protests saying "Give healthcare that isn't extortionist."

But, alas. Unless Sanders is elected and gets his healthcare system through I won't be moving to the US any time soon.

A socialist health care system when it leads to full blown socialism or communism is bad.

America already has the biggest, most far-reaching socialistic approach to medicine and social support systems, anywhere, ever.

A couple of other tiny, culturally pure countries have managed to do it pretty well. Nobody with the size and diversity of America.

When you cry about the have-nots in America, it's always a tiny %, and people who still live better than 95% of the globe.

In other words....."can't we get to perfect from damn near perfect, better than everywhere else ?". The answer may be no.