Profiling Muslims

a reply to: hammanderr

I was arguing a few months ago with some people (Germans in this case) about the refugees. I told them there would be bad people among them and it isn't worth letting in everyone -even if most are decent. Not to mention, even the "moderate" Muslims are often seeking to change the culture.

I'll just come out and say it - European culture is white culture. Heck, when people think of "Western" culture they think of "white" culture. Yet, whites are made to feel ashamed or guilty if they show a little pride in their accomplishments. Any other race does it - no problem. The second whites talk about cultural preservation then all of a sudden, we're racist bigots!

I started another thread in which I proposed a plan to deal with this very problem we're discussing here:

Getting Rid of Terrorists

You'll see that it quickly descended into name-calling and overall the message was largely ignored.

People need to wake up before it is too late. Ask a Jew born before 1945 what happens when you wait around, thinking everything will play itself out.

a reply to: scorpio84

Even if most are decent, it's not worth it? Well, then we should probably just kill everyone then.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: scorpio84

Even if most are decent, it's not worth it? Well, then we should probably just kill everyone then.

I wouldn't go so far as killing everyone - that's a bit too extreme, don't you think? First of all, no one owes these people a thing. How many refugees are being allowed into Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, etc? How many Syrians and Egyptians is Israel taking in? What about Turkey?
I do not support the taking in of Muslim refugees for several reasons:

1). It puts unnecessary strain on the local governments

2). It is an expense that is unfair to ask people to pay

3). You won't know if you've let in terrorists until it's too late

4). Their ideological system is completely at odds with European culture (and its American, Canadian, and
Australian offshoots)

One thing - I refuse to be bullied into feeling guilty about not caring about these people. Time and again they've proven they want to usurp our way of life. Those who don't kill people shout despicable things at protests. Those not screaming at the protests are sitting silently, waiting.

You may be willing to let our culture get destroyed from the inside because you can't bring yourself to offend a few people who have no right to be where they are in the first place. One thing I've learned in living abroad is that no one else would give us that same courtesy.

originally posted by: hammanderr
The so called "moderate Muslims" fled their own countries to get away from "radical Islam". They didn't stay and fight for "moderate Islam", in the land of their birth, the land of their ancestors. From their own lands, they ran away.

That's a huge oversimplification. In a lot of situations in Iraq/Syria these people could have stayed and fought and faced certain death but instead decided to take their daughters and wives to safety. In a lot of places they were being bombed by Assad and had no way to fight back. In a lot of situations they were being crapped on by multiple competing factions and didn't want to join up with the dominant group.

Also, a lot of this is economics. In a lot of ways the region has been destroyed economically and environmentally. There were Yazidis fighting with the Peshmerga and YPG to retake Sinjar and of course the city was demolished by U.S. bombing once they did. The Yazidi men were saying there was nothing to return home to and they were going to take their families to Europe.

a reply to: scorpio84

Careful there buddy, white identity and pride are strictly prohibited. You're just expected to stand by, provide the refugees with free money, celebrate their culture and always, always say, "they're not all terrorists." Got it?

a reply to: hammanderr

Of course - white pride is racist, any other pride (black pride, gay pride, Muslim pride, etc.) is standing up for what you believe and celebrating individuality.

My question, though - what is in it for the powers that be to spread the foolish myth that criticism = hatred? Criticize Israel's hold over America and you're an anti-semite. Point out the fact that 100% of the world's terrorists are Muslim (at least 99%) and all of a sudden you are "xenophobic" or "painting Muslims with the broad brush of terrorism."

I'm actually rather socialist in my way of thinking (lower military spending, free education, etc.) - but that does not extend to people who have no right to come into our countries and change our way of life. Good post, glad you brought it up - too many people defending the invaders, not enough standing up to them.

Many years ago maybe 15years or so my husband and I became friends with a Moslem couple, Des and Omar.

After several months they had to move house and needed somewhere to stay for a few days, so we kindly invited them to stay with us. It wasn't a pleasant experience as the difference between us and became apparent quite quickly.

At first it was just Omar's attitude about the way my husband and I interacted, like playful bickering and stuff, and him commenting I shouldn't speak to my husband like that, then it was him commenting when I asked my hubby to help hang out the washing that he shouldn't do that it wasn't a mans job it was mine.

One night we were talking and he told us something that I have never forgotten. He said one day Islam was going to take over the world and kill us all that didn't believe in Mohamed. He said they would sneak in our windows at night and cut our throats while we were sleeping ! He said no he wouldn't do that to us because he liked us but one of his brothers would. Really head messy chilling stuff !

The next day I remember it being stinking hot like 35 degree or something, anyway he wanted his wife to cook him hot chips, she was really lovely about it and said its really hot I'm not doing it can't we have a salad. He then proceeded to beat her ! My husband and I immediately jumped in and stopped this, and kicked him out of our house, sadly his dear wife went with him. We never spoke to them again.

Whilst we have Moslem friends to this day I can't say I really trust them. Yes obviously Omar was a nutter but still those words haunt me. So profiling a Moslem .....I don't know, I really don't, I wish whole heartedly I could trust them but sadly I don't.

a reply to: Metropolis1927

If a Muslim beats his wife - it's just "culture." Let's also not forget that they stone their wives and daughters for the terrible crime of being raped.

originally posted by: scorpio84
a reply to: Metropolis1927

If a Muslim beats his wife - it's just "culture." Let's also not forget that they stone their wives and daughters for the terrible crime of being raped.

If a Muslim does anything it's his "culture". They marry 12 year old girls. Mohammed married a 6 or 9 year old, it's in the Koran. Also, as any American soldier can tell you, they have sex with little boys. Very well documented, the British military did a study on it.

Mohammed was a warlord. Jesus was a preacher and a lover of humanity. If a Muslim follows Mohammed's example, he will kill non Muslim, force people to convert, and marry a really, really young girl. If a Christian follows Jesus's example he will heal the blind, treat prostitutes kindly, and feed people fish and wine.

Yeah it would appear so, like he said to my husband over the washing incident are you going to let her talk to you like that? Just because I asked if he would help peg it out. I'm sure he would have beat me if he could, although I didn't see that side of him till a day or so later.

These were very moderate couple also, born in Australia, the wife didn't wear hijab and he drank beer, extreme ones must be very scary indeed.

In saying this I don't believe all Moslems are bad or even think like Omar, but that little doubt is always there. couple a reply to: scorpio84

a reply to: hammanderr

I dont think they're running away from their own lands to flee radical Moslems.

Theyre fleeing their lands because their nations are constantly being bombed, attacked, invaded, occupied, having dictators installed etc.

Since at-least 1953, the West has been installing dictators in the ME via Operation Ajax in Iran.

The creation of Israel created 5 million Palestinian refugees?

When the West (led by the US) isnt bombing them, we're supporting groups like Al-CIAeda and ISUS for the purpose of "regime change".

If only we could offer them a deal like, if you leave our lands, we'll leave yours, but the West would never agree. The West is OBSESSED with the oil that flows beneath the sands in those deserts...

I have an great idea. Lets make all muslims living in our countries wear a badge. Yeah,a green badge. We could even put a half moon and a star on it just in case..oh wait..we have done that before. Comeon. Do you think that this would prevent terror ? How many policemen would it take to stop and check everyone who looks like an arab ? What would it cost ?

Since when did white become a culture? I thought they were a mix of different cultures? Polish, Russian..etc

a reply to: hammanderr

Wait are you trying to say they are all like this? If so that is very ignorant and uniformed.

originally posted by: lucifershiningone
a reply to: hammanderr

Wait are you trying to say they are all like this? If so that is very ignorant and uniformed.

While you're busy protecting the sensibilities of Muslims, they're plotting a terrorist attack in your city.

Take your politically correct BS to a BLM rally and talk to all those professional victims about the suffering they're experiencing, you'd fit right in.

Out here in the real world, a Muslim refugee and some Muslim French citizens just killed 130 people and wounded hundreds more. Seriously, your contributions are simplistic at best.

Last time I checked muslims are the ones running around raping adults and children, killing people in horrific ways, enslaving women and strapping bombs to themselves for god. Not good muslims bad muslims. So I agree with addressing a threat like a threat and dont care about hurting someones feeelings by profiling.

So, when did ATS become GLP ... must have missed that moment ...?

a reply to: hammanderr

The profiling of Middle Eastern Muslims could could have prevented 9/11

So you are just limiting it Middle Eastern Looking Muslims?


You wouldn't want the Asian looking Muslims or White westerner looking Muslims or any other racial identity that are Muslims profiled only Arabs?

The very presence of "moderate Muslims" is what allows the "radical Muslims" to blend in and pull off these attacks. So, if the "moderates" can't stop these "radicals" from destroying the western countries that have welcomed them in...what chance does the West have?

Anyone could say the presence of people is what allows murderers and maniacs to blend in to pull of their acts of horror.

Once you start to divide the people in appearance you devolve into a nazi type of ideology.

What chances does humanity have with people like yourself who in my eyes are just as extreme in their ideology as the terrorists you speak against?

originally posted by: sHuRuLuNi
So, when did ATS become GLP ... must have missed that moment ...?

After any event like this, after any mass shooting.


All the really awake and aware ones come out and warn us of our cities being in danger because Muslims are plotting to bomb them.

While you're busy protecting the sensibilities of Muslims, they're plotting a terrorist attack in your city.

Evolution seems to reverse and people devolve into the animals they condemn.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: UnBreakable
What about Saudi Arabia "pouring in money"? They are extremely rich, have a modern air force, and a huge population of military aged men to assist.

Exactly how many Saudis are refugees? I don't think that Saudi men are what the OP is talking about when he says they should stay in their country and fight. This is about men fleeing from war-torn countries that should "stay and fight".

My point is that SA is a Muslim country. You would think SA would help their Muslim brethren in their fight against ISIS instead of depending on the west grabbing more influence through their so-called "proxy wars" as you say.