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Bernie Sanders: After Paris Attacks What Greatest Threat to America

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posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Probably but he will begin with US. Unlike Trump, Sanders has ideas and goals, not just thoughts.

berniesanders.com...


Yes!

Today the US, and tomorrow we are at war with Oceania ... or is that East Asia?




posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

How do you make the jump to war?



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Kali74
He doesn't need a plan for China and India they are already working on the problem.


They have a plan, but it is not what you would like:

China Issues Permits for 155 New Coal-Powered Plants.

The Grim Promise of India's Coal-Powered Future.

They are going to tell him to stuff it since they are not on board with anything he is advocating.


Oh, c'mon, Reality, stop harshing their safe space! Let them all feel the Bern in peace.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: ketsuko

How do you make the jump to war?


How else do you force the rest of the world to comply?

Not to mention, I was referencing 1984.
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posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Swills

Probably but he will begin with US. Unlike Trump, Sanders has ideas and goals, not just thoughts.


What good is that if the two largest populations on the planet are not on board and do not share his 'ideals'?



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Ummm, I'm not sure if you're aware of Sanders thought on war but based on his track record I doubt he is of the mind set to impose military force to make foreign nations do thy bidding. I can think of past politicians who did that very thing tho..

Sanders would like the US to lead the way into a cleaner future, and you can't clean up the planet with war. That is some leap of logic there.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Some liberals just don’t want to accept the reality of pure evil if its not dressed up in a anti liberal economic clothing.

Their just too narrow minded like many people



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Being that climate change is a huge problem, Sanders will focus on the US first and let our actions lead the way. I'm sure, if he was in office, he would be talking to foreign leaders about how everyone can make a change. If they come on board, that's up to them but I'm sure he'll do his best to bring them along.

He wants to focus on ridding ourselves of fossil fuels and look for another source. If we become successful at becoming less dependent on costly fossil fuels I'm sure other nations will be interested. It would be nice to have a president focus on this instead of being in the pockets of Big Oil and the like.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Being that climate change is a huge problem, Sanders will focus on the US first and let our actions lead the way. I'm sure, if he was in office, he would be talking to foreign leaders about how everyone can make a change. If they come on board, that's up to them but I'm sure he'll do his best to bring them along.

He wants to focus on ridding ourselves of fossil fuels and look for another source. If we become successful at becoming less dependent on costly fossil fuels I'm sure other nations will be interested. It would be nice to have a president focus on this instead of being in the pockets of Big Oil and the like.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Probably but he will begin with US. Unlike Trump, Sanders has ideas and goals, not just thoughts.

berniesanders.com...


Sounds like Bernie is going to be really expensive. Climate change scam costs plus socialism redistribution and higher taxes. I personally can't afford Bernie.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: Swills

Being that climate change is a huge problem, Sanders will focus on the US first and let our actions lead the way.


What would be the difference between him and Dear Leader who signed off on new EPA regulations and saw the curtailment of the coal industry here while China and India add more capacity then we have been dropping?

Is he more extra-specially than Obama? They could not give two s***s about what we do and most likely never will.


If we become successful at becoming less dependent on costly fossil fuels I'm sure other nations will be interested. It would be nice to have a president focus on this instead of being in the pockets of Big Oil and the like.


This is where you are incorrect, the coal that China and India burns is cheap and that is why they are using it in vast quantities. The Indians are staunch coal supporters and feel it is the only way they can lift hundreds of millions of their citizens who are poor and without electricity out of poverty.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

A good leader leads, he does not wait for the followers!

As for India and China, their pollution is following in the footsteps of industry in the good olde US of A, over time we saw the need to curb industrial pollution and so will have they.


The Chinese government announced an ambitious plan on Thursday to curb air pollution across the nation, including setting some limits on burning coal and taking high-polluting vehicles off the roads to ensure a drop in the concentration of particulate matter in cities. The plan, released by the State Council, China’s cabinet, filled in a broad outline that the government had issued this year. It represents the most concrete response yet by the Communist Party and the government to growing criticism over allowing the country’s air, soil and water to degrade to abysmal levels because of corruption and unchecked economic growth.


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posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Climate change scam? Regardless if you believe in it or not you cannot deny that we are poluting our planet and that finding other sources of energy are not a good thing.

You know what's costly? The conflicts in the Middle East. We're spending upwards $14 million dollars a day and that number only increases. What a complete waste of lives, time, and money. I'd rather spend $14 million dollars a day investing in energy programs and cleaning up our mistakes.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Have you ever read 1984?

The idea of whether or not there was a war was really immaterial. It was a mechanism for populace control, just like the two minutes of hate.



Now, instead of "Goldstein" picture them yelling "Limbaugh" or substitute any of your favorite, or least favorite, right-leaning figures. Did you see the mostly silent guys sitting in the theatre staring back at all the yelling plebes? That's Bernie and his party aparatchiks ... they show up and put on a show, but they're really only there to make sure people like you and I tow the mark and get our cathartic release so that our negative emotions are being directed appropriately at the "state approved" enemies, not our real enemies, the ones who actually oppress.

On, and our chocolate ration has been increased from 7 oz to 5.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad

A good leader leads, he does not wait for the followers!


Who cares where he is leading? If he feels global warming is the largest threat to the Untied States while China and India continue to use coal how does that mitigate the perceived threat?


As for India and China, their pollution is following in the footsteps of industry in the good olde US of A, over time we saw the need to curb industrial pollution and so will they.

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That article if from 2013. The one I linked regarding the licensing of 150+ new coal plants was from four days ago. China continues to use coal in huge quantities and has little reason or motivation to slow this pattern.




edit on 15-11-2015 by AugustusMasonicus because: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Metallicus

Climate change scam? Regardless if you believe in it or not you cannot deny that we are poluting our planet and that finding other sources of energy are not a good thing.

You know what's costly? The conflicts in the Middle East. We're spending upwards $14 million dollars a day and that number only increases. What a complete waste of lives, time, and money. I'd rather spend $14 million dollars a day investing in energy programs and cleaning up our mistakes.


We could just leave the Middle East and stop the war entirely. We don't need to be there we aren't wanted there and I don't want my country to be responsible for the indiscriminate killing of human beings anywhere.

That money we save on killing people could be used to reduce pollution and help people here at home. If we are already wasting that money I would rather it goes to Americans in need than to bomb people.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: Swills

I have no problem with a reduction in pollution. Pollution is something we can prove that we, as mankind, have caused and are indeed responsible for cleaning up...and by we, I mean the polluters (corporations) should pay to clean up.
edit on 2015/11/15 by Metallicus because: ETA



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

www.washingtonpost.com...



PLUM LINE: Climate change: Hillary has pledged to protect all of Obama’s actions, which would appear to mean not only his new EPA rules but also any international climate treaty. Is that far enough? Where should the Democratic nominee be on climate change?

SANDERS: Not only is climate change real and caused by human activity, but it is already causing devastating problems in America and around the world. In terms of the kind of planet we are going to leave our kids and grandchildren, the scientists tell us that if we do not get our act together, this planet may be five to 10 degrees Fahrenheit warmer by the end of this century. Just think of all the cataclysmic impacts that will mean.

It is not only supporting what the president has done; it is saying we’ve got to lead the world.

PLUM LINE: Should the Democratic nominee offer a platform that goes considerably farther than what the president has done?

SANDERS: Yes.

PLUM LINE: What would that look like?

SANDERS: It would look like a tax on carbon; a massive investment in solar, wind, geothermal; it would be making sure that every home and building in this country is properly winterized; it would be putting substantial money into rail, both passenger and cargo, so we can move towards breaking our dependency on automobiles. And it would be leading other countries around the world.


Coal is cheap now but how long can they keep that up, indefinitely? Any change that's going to take place, especially globally, will be slow but hopefully progress faster as the years go on.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

So what is Bernie's opinion on the ideal temperature for the earth and how do we maintain that?


why dont you ask aall the candidates since they are all outspoken in this very topic. maybe we should have a debate on tv about which degree each candidate prefers? No point in only asking Bernie unless you are only out to make him and only him look bad. Americans are skepitical on climate change and with good reason (not making any claims on cc validity, just the disinfo we've all seen) so only asking one candidate is a push for ones own agenda.



posted on Nov, 15 2015 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

lol

You and I have very different perspectives and we always will so no need to bother trying to dissuade one another because it will be fruitless. Agree to disagree.




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