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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: dashen
No it doesn't.
The code is not pi as the code does not reference a decimal place. And after that? Is there a code after your presumed pi? No? It doesn't say anything? Then what use is this "code"?
originally posted by: Sigismundus
a reply to: chr0naut
You raise a number of points which will have to be addressed in separate posts
Suffice it to say that the Dead Sea Scroll texts show a divergence from the Masoretic text which can be quite shocking to those who have not studied it in depth when compared letter for letter - most of the changes in the Torah are considered ''minor" alterations (such as the MT replacing ELOHIM for YHWH) but it is enough to ruin any code...
You surely must know by now that we have found fragments of the Hebrew consonantal underlay to the LXX Greek texts which show that the LXX translators were very accurately translating the Hebrew text that was front of them word for word (not just slipshod translations from the Masoretic). So when the LXX differs from the Masoretic, we can see that they are working from a DIFFERENT vorlage consonantal text underlay - i.e. we can reconstruct the Hebrew from the Greek translations. Ditto for Aquila, Symmachus and Theodotion. If there was only ONE Hebrew consonantal Vorlage underlay then we would not see so many differences between Aquila, Theodotiion etal. and the MT and LXX as Origen pointed out. Their Hebrew textual consonantal vorlage underlays were different !
Immanuel Tov (and other scholars who have devoted time to the subject) has shown that even the text of the Torah was prone to changes (although less prone to changes than say, the Book of Jeremiah) including differences of letters, words and whole phrases.
Even the Talmud records that the markings surrounding Numbers 10:35–36 were thought to denote that this 85 letter text was not in its proper place iin the Masoretic text.
Did you not know that at Qumran we witness a pluriform of Hebrew text families that diverge from the Masoretic? Even the Great Isaiah scroll (though not itself Torah) 1QIsa shows some glaring differences from its sister copy 1QISb lying right next to it.
I'll compile a few of these differences for you in the Torah (under later postings this week) to show that prior to Jamnia c. 90 CE, the Hebrew text of the Torah was more fluid than you care to admit....
Why do you think this is so complicated? Why couldn't it have been done by a person? It is a rather simple code. If it is how you describe and If it is even there. I have no way of verifying it afterall.
originally posted by: dashen
I am really surprised in some of you.
You guys are ignoring the blatant truth in front of your nose.
there are many ancient versions of the Torah.
All of them were written by breakaway cults that did not adhere to very strict guidelines of scribe Manship .
BUT NONE OF THE OTHER VERSIONS HAVE A CODE SO COMPLICATED IT WOULD TAKE A SUPERCOMPUTER TO DO IT TODAY
Also very ridiculously ignoring the fact that this one code overlaps with countless others.
The 49 letter count is a pattern that repeats throughout the whole book yes
but there are other equidistant letter counts for the same word (Torah)
That overlap and sometimes utilize one letter for many words
if you remove or add or replace one letter from here or there it would disrupt the whole thing
originally posted by: cooperton
The patriline (lineage through the first son) in the Bible expounds on the history and purpose of humankind:
Adam to Jesus: A Story is Told
Surely, it would've been impossible, without some sort of Divine Foresight, to make the names of the Savior's human lineage spell out God's intent with such exactitude. Words, truths in particular, are the scaffold of our universe.
originally posted by: dashen
I never understood the Bible tracing Jesus's patrilineal family.
was Joseph the father or not?
Also never understood the fact that since Jesus was born and died a Jew and is quoted in Matthew as saying that he has not come to change the law, why don't the Christians follow Judaism?.
Also very troubling to the church are passages in the Talmud which describe Jesus's life between the ages of 12 and 30 which the Christian Canon conveniently omits .
Such as the fact that Jesus was kicked out of university.
After several misunderstandings with his teacher he descended to Egypt and studied magic and sorcery for many years.
1 These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the wilderness east of the Jordan—that is, in the Arabah—opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth and Dizahab. 2 (It takes eleven days to go from Horeb to Kadesh Barnea by the Mount Seir road.)
3 In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses proclaimed to the Israelites all that the Lord had commanded him concerning them. 4 This was after he had defeated Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon, and at Edrei had defeated Og king of Bashan, who reigned in Ashtaroth.