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Qur'an (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."
Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers." The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah."
Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking a religion other than Allah's, when every soul in the heavens and the earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?"
So much for the verse (2:256) stating that there is "no compulsion in religion".
From the Hadith:
Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."
Sahih Muslim (19:4294) - "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists (which includes Christians), invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them" Osama bin Laden echoes this order from his prophet: "Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam … . Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.” (source: The al-Qaeda Reader p. 19-20)
within the fold of Islam, Allâh will give you double reward, but in case you turn your back upon it, then the burden of the sins of all your people shall fall on your shoulders.
"Say (O Muhammad [pbuh]): ‘O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh.’ Then, if they turn away, say: ‘Bear witness that we are Muslims.’ " [The Noble Qur'an 3:64]
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
originally posted by: tinymind
a reply to: gps777
Of course, you would never find anything even approching such a thing be done by those who are discussed in the Bible.
No! Wait! It does seem I recall something about someone being told to go into a city, or was it several cities, and kill everyting that lived there; men, women, childern, oxen, and donkeys.
I guess that was alright though; they were, after all, only invading lands they were given by someone's visions.
Pot & kettle
Pot & kettle
Pot & kettle
originally posted by: gps777
a reply to: MystikMushroom
Put it this way who would you rather trust?
Jesus ( by his words and example ) pointing a gun at you or Mohamad? ( by his words and example )
Jesus shed no blood other than his own.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Asktheanimals
I think it more has to do with whatever works to justify whatever atrocity you are about to commit. If the people accept those words as a valid reason to conquer and destroy, then that's what they'll use to achieve that goal.
More or less it has a lot to do with the bible being open to the interpretation of whoever is reading it. If there was a set way to read it, there would be a lot less confusion like this. It's just too bad the author of it doesn't deem it necessary to issue a proclamation to shed some light on this mystery.
originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: gps777
One question.... how come Islam didnt just continue to conquer the rest of Europe? what stopped them specifically?
originally posted by: ParasuvO
let me give you a hint.........