Terrorism is not motivated by religion .

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: radarloveguy

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: radarloveguy

Why is it their homeland? They were not born there. Parents were not born there. Religion. Any way you slice it you come back to religion.

Failure to integrate , millions of faithful Muslims rightfully condemn their actions.

So it's because of their religion. How do you go on and on about how it's not religion, then claim it's religion. That is the only thing they have in common.

They are linked by the same religion , but are not faithful to the One ( Christian and Muslim ) God .
Their faith has been perverted by extremism , which is against the wishes of our Creator .
So they are not representing any religion ...

a reply to: radarloveguy

Thats a different argument. It's motivated by religion, whether that religion is a perversion or not is different. The motivation is that they see their religious brothers as being under attack and feel the need to defend them.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

My point is that Western interference within the
boundaries of their historical Caliphate is their main gripe .
Their lives are secondary to their allegiance to that 'homeland' .

That causes terrorism , albeit enabled by extremist irreligious leaders .

Culture and terrorism walk hand in hand. There are studies about it.

And yes culture also includes religion as one part of it. There are a lot of studies about terrorism and everytime you read them there is a culture and religion involved.

Suicidal violence involves three levels of analysis:
individual motivations, organizational strategies, and societal conflicts.
Using rationalist, culturalist, and structuralist approaches to contentious politics, this article explores the intersection of rationality, norms, and conflict in the making of extreme violence.

The case of Palestinian suicide bombers demonstrates the interdependence of the three approaches to explaining suicidal violence.
For individuals, self-sacrifice is conceived as an act of personal redemption rooted in religious morality and national salvation.
For organizations, human bombs provide strategic advantages in the context of asymmetrical warfare.

For collectivities, martyrs are venerated when three conditions converge:
(1) cultural norms encompass symbolic narratives that honor martyrdom;
(2) legitimate authorities acquiesce to extreme violence; and
(3) conflicts generate feelings of victimization and threat by external enemies.

LINK


How Culture shapes Terrorism

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: radarloveguy

Hi Muslim here.

Through my research into khuaraij (extremist) ideology . i have noted that these groups arise in times of war .

Since the time of Muhammad and after these groups have been around.

Now the cause does have to do with Religion and as you stated social and political injustices .

Here is why.

Catastrophe happens then you have a once normal "ahmed" who was a street thug the night before becomes and overnight scholar and recruits other muslims . he then teaches them his "twisted ideology" by using scripture as a refrence by twisiting it and taking it out of context for what ever agenda he has.

Sort of like west burrow church and other sects.

So to say terrorism is not motivated by religion. I respectfully have to disagree sadly.

I wish it wenrt so but it is.

Ultimately though its mans fault .

Are you not pissed off? riled to hell and back, that these creeps have stolen your religion and are using it to make the world hate you?

Are you not so mad you would yell it from rooftops?

Why are you just on ATS saying "Hey muslim here, and you're wrong"

Dont take this the wrong way, but you're full of it.


Bring in the retard church, the westboro clowns.. No you dont get to do that with your religion being the first most agile hate group on this planet.

Op, total BS. Religion has been responsible for more wars and killings in this world than anything else. All you have to do is Google a search on Islam or Christianity, and you'll find loads of factual information that directly link these religions to past killings, wars, crusades, etc... The religion of Islam has been soaked in blood since the start of it's inception.

To actually try to say these acts of terrorism are not directly related to the Islamic religion is really ridiculous! Considering these terrorists time and time again have been directly linked to their belief in Islam. These Islamic terrorists don't yell out “Allahu Akbar” during their jihad-style attacks for no reason! They believe they're doing God's will based upon the violent teachings of Mohammed whose ideas became the religion of Islam.

Here's a video by a women who grew up as a Muslim who explains the real Mohammad that most "radical" Islamists follow.

originally posted by: radarloveguy
Blaming religion as the cause of terrorist activity ,
is a simplistic generalisation .
Convenient ... but wrong .

There Are Two Causes of Terrorism

All terrorist acts are motivated by two things:

"Social and political injustice:
People choose terrorism
when they are trying to right what they perceive to be
a social or political or historical wrong—when they have
been stripped of their land or rights, or denied these.
The belief that violence or its threat will be effective,
and usher in change. Another way of saying this is: the
belief that violent means justify the ends. Many terrorists
in history said sincerely that they chose violence after
long deliberation, because they felt they had no choice.

Although many people today believe that that religious
fanaticism "causes" terrorism, it isn't true. It may
be true that religious fanaticism creates conditions
that are favorable for terrorism. But we know that
religious zealotry does not 'cause' terrorism because
there are many religious fanatics who do not choose
terrorism or any form of violence. So there must also
be other conditions that in combination provoke some
people to see terrorism as an effective way of creating
change in their world.

Instead, what more than 95 percent of all suicide terrorist
attacks since 1980 have in common is not religion, but a
specific secular goal: to compel modern democracies to
withdraw military forces from the territory the terrorists
view as their homeland. From Lebanon to Chechnya to Kashmir
to Sri Lanka to the West Bank, every suicide terrorist
campaign since 1980 has had as its main objective to compel
a democratic state to withdraw combat forces from territory
that the terrorists prize."
terrorism.about.com...

Without an army strong enough to defend the population ,
terrorism is the last resort of a desperate people.

Here is the ultimate tyranny: those who resist aggression
are forced to imitate, and perhaps even to exceed, the
brutality of the aggressor.
MICHAEL WALZER, Just and Unjust Wars

Nobody wins a war , only one side loses more than the other .
It's cause and effect . Persecuted , Profiled , Labelled , Condemned .
So the cycle of hate grows within each successive generation .
And the innocent , on both sides , are the victims...

Your absolutely wrong. Islam is the basis for most Arab culture and civilization and it teaches world domination, murder, war, misogyny etc. Those who do not become radical extremist are more sane and do not follow the religion literally. If you follow Islam truthfully you will be extremist terrorist as defined by free people of the world.

a reply to: radarloveguy

Blaming religion as the cause of terrorist activity ,
is a simplistic generalisation .
Convenient ... but wrong .

Terrorism is, today, a generalized definition of attacks coming from sources that cannot be directly associated with a nation/government. Historically however, it sources from the French word, 'terrorisme', dating to the early-mid 1790s and, ironically, the French government of the day.

Present day terrorist organizations/groups have a host of stuff they fall back upon... but mainly religion/deity and then, poliics, as well. They offer both ease of excuse and empowerment against opposition.

The Church used this approach to establish the Inquisition well over 500 years ago and it's the basic application today by ISIS and the Taliban; if you fail your test of faith, you will die. It's also quite empowering to join it... to give your life taking those of others so that upon reaching the other side, you are rewarded handsomely.

The whole thing falls back on the basic question/concept of whether your all-powerful deity really and actually NEEDS you to take the lives of others. If one can buy into all of this... then the loyalty contract is for life.
In the case of ISIS, there is nothing and no one more important than... Allah.

...

I can simplify it all: innocent people are dying because some people use religion to get laid, and ensure they and their future generations will get laid.

a reply to: Kapusta

Exactly, man twists religion, so most religions have their potential to be twisted. There are even Buddhists who walk down the violent extremist path.

The question becomes ... what is it about a religion that allows it be twisted to easily? Are there really that many who are already in bad conditions to twist or is there a message in the faith that makes it attractive to those who would be prone to twist?

And is it simply that there are large swaths of the world with people who have done the twisting already to create that message prepackaged for people who would twist or who are twisted and looking for that kind of message to grab into with fanatical belief?

If you follow Islam truthfully you will be extremist terrorist as defined by free people of the world.

a reply to: Xeven


What does that say about Islam? Why would any peaceful and sane person follow the teachings and life of Mohammad which is the basis for the religion of Islam? Mohammad was more of a criminal and rapist than a "peaceful and loving person!"

The video I posted is from a Muslim women who grew up as a Muslim says it like it is. What she says about the Islamic religion and the teachings of Mohammad is an eye-opener! The true teachings of Mohammed have been brushed under the carpet for those "peaceful" Muslims that don't follow the "real" life and teachings of Mohammed.

a reply to: johnnyjoe1979

Get laid, you say?


They want to be heroes, i don't know but it is deeply human, they are so eager to please they kill themselfes for it.
Nothing to do, no perspective in this world, some brainwashing and boom, a walking bomb!

Without religion they would fall for another ideology, like the nazis.... Same thing, ideologies are the enemies of every rational human.

a reply to: radarloveguy

The OP is total BS, if my humble opinion is counted in. We have here a darn clear evidence of a religion which preaches for slaying people, innocent people, slaying anybody with differing opinion or conviction is a recommended deed in this religion. It stands black and white in their dear Quran, which preachers repeat all around where they have mosques.

We have mosques and Quran schools in Saudi Arabia, through-out ISIS land, in Pakistan and Tailiban-land, where the same message of destruction and crimes against humanity are eagerly thought and repeated. And to make a point taken, the fellas who happend to buy that message, go and kill people.

So what a total BS of BS of BS is that f# sh# that religion would not play a f#ng role!!????

a reply to: dollukka

Culture and terrorism walk hand in hand. There are studies about it.

And yes culture also includes religion as one part of it. There are a lot of studies about terrorism and everytime you read them there is a culture and religion involved.

Manifest destiny

George W. Bush in the 21st century applied it to the Middle East, in Afghanistan and Iraq. Tyner argues that in proclaiming a mission to combat terror, Bush was continuing a long tradition of prophetic presidential action to be the beacon of freedom in the spirit of Manifest Destiny.[77]

The Religious Origins of Manifest Destiny

It also was firmly anchored in a long standing and deep sense of a special and unique American Destiny, the belief that in the words of historian Conrad Cherry, “America is a nation called to a special destiny by God.”

heck.
since fossil fuels made better cookies...ahem.

The elephant noone wants to point at/RESOURCES and who lives on the land getting it raped from them at whatever interval...

People we put in charge to bake the best cookies go and steal the recipes from people who are not obligated to share with us.

People get mad, even incensed over having been exploited for their natural resource.

It's about money and who owns all the resources-religion happens secondary as a contradiction of sorts?

a reply to: radarloveguy

Right, so in that instance you referred to, Islam has no influence on their terrorist actions?

Ideologies like 72 virgins in heaven have no effect on their decision to blow their cowardly selves up?

B*llocks. When Nazi Germany invaded Poland, France, Ukraine and so on, it wasn't a "Christian" uprising that saw to their end. During the Vietnam war, the US weren't bombing yelling, "Jesus is great" at the top of their lungs.

And, during Allied bombing (by the UK, France, Canada, US, etc), *if* they hit a civilian area, there is deep regret and apology. They DO NOT INTENTIONALLY kill civilians.

The Muslim ideology of the fanatic *IS* to bomb and kill civilians -- expressly that. Driven by a religion that preaches death to a non-believer.

Don't say religion is not a driver for terrorism. Because it is. It may not be the only one -- but it is certainly in the top 3.

a reply to: laminatedsoul

Not sure i understand your point.

But to answer your question. Of course it upsets me that the new face of Islam is extremeism. But all i can do is educate people on the dangers of it and make them aware that such ideology is NOT of islam . i belong to a outreach group that educates Muslims and non Muslims about the dangers of subscribing to extremisim.

What exactly am i full of again?

originally posted by: Xeven

originally posted by: radarloveguy

All terrorist acts are motivated by two things:

"Social and political injustice:

Here is the ultimate tyranny: those who resist aggression
are forced to imitate, and perhaps even to exceed, the
brutality of the aggressor.
MICHAEL WALZER, Just and Unjust Wars

Nobody wins a war , only one side loses more than the other .
It's cause and effect . Persecuted , Profiled , Labelled , Condemned .
So the cycle of hate grows within each successive generation .
And the innocent , on both sides , are the victims...

Your absolutely wrong. Islam is the basis for most Arab culture and civilization and it teaches world domination, murder, war, misogyny etc. Those who do not become radical extremist are more sane and do not follow the religion literally. If you follow Islam truthfully you will be extremist terrorist as defined by free people of the world.

"Thou shalt not kill"....
Equivalent Quran verses ....

1 "...except for just cause..."

2- "...unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land..."

3 They clearly prove that Allah Almighty definitely prohibits murder.
Unjust killing of an innocent person is equivalent to terrorism and
mass-slaughter (killing all or most people).


4 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits;
for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

5 "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace,
and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
(The Noble Quran, 8:61)"

So again , we see that Islam does NOT condone killing , unless
it's self defense .

a reply to: deckdel

"Social and political injustice:
People choose terrorism
when they are trying to right what they perceive to be
a social or political or historical wrong—when they have
been stripped of their land or rights, or denied these.
The belief that violence or its threat will be effective,
and usher in change."

Gas pipeline through Syria anyone ?
Iraqi oil reserves driven by the not-so-mighty dollar . ...?

Foreign policy blunders ...?

Irreligious leaders on both sides , driving the genocide trains
head on , on the one track .

Religion is used as justification , it is not
the driving force .

Shalom

a reply to: radarloveguy

Allahu Akhbar! *Suicide belt explosion* *gunshots*

Right...