2ND Amendment idea: National Militia!

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It often happens like this…a guy who never held a gun in his life wants to start a real national militia with national local branches certified by the constitution and have thousands of trained and certified deputies all over the country working with private resources.

This militia is totally a national guard force but the difference is that it would be completely separate from the US or state governments but still certified by the government to be a national watch dog for the general public, in this terror age, and a watch dog on the US and states governments, including the police.

In other words a real live national militia proscribed by the very constitution!

It would have rights to film, tape, and observe all police actions and governmental forces such as the FBI and CIA…

As well sort of like a national private force of Texas Rangers empowered to serve and protect the American people and the civil rights of all the people and above all make sure the constitution is protected.

That sounds like a lot of fun! Who's ready to sign up?

Umm...

Source?

a reply to: Willtell

As well sort of like a national private force of Texas Rangers empowered

...by whom?

A national militia, to me, sounds like a registered list of targets to be eliminated before a hostile takeover.

I suspect the whole concept of a militia to protect the citizens from the government existed before the concept of keeping track of every individual existed.

I mean, who would have even considered that? Even thirty years ago, that would be far too involved.

originally posted by: Willtell

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It often happens like this…a guy who never held a gun in his life wants to start a real national militia with national local branches certified by the constitution and have thousands of trained and certified deputies all over the country working with private resources.

This militia is totally a national guard force but the difference is that it would be completely separate from the US or state governments but still certified by the government to be a national watch dog for the general public, in this terror age, and a watch dog on the US and states governments, including the police.

In other words a real live national militia proscribed by the very constitution!

"Still certified by the government"? Uh, no. It's protection FROM the government.

"The militia is totally a national guard force." Uh, no. The "militia" meant every able bodied man.

The term "well regulated" meant "working well, like a "well regulated clock." We don't use "regulated" that way any more, but that's what it meant back then. It meant a group of citizens who could shoot straight.

Your idea is completely different and nowhere near what is proscribed by the constitution.

This national Militia would be empowered by:
The Supreme Court

Indeed a thoroughly legal force to be a national asset to protect the citizens against terrorism and a force to protect the people against government unconstitutional intrusion.

The said national militia member would be legally empowered to be armed in ALL 50 states, with full investigative powers.

a reply to: Willtell

This national Militia would be empowered by:
The Supreme Court

Who can be a member?

The said national militia member would be legally empowered to be armed in ALL 50 states, with full investigative powers.

And no oversight?

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Willtell

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It often happens like this…a guy who never held a gun in his life wants to start a real national militia with national local branches certified by the constitution and have thousands of trained and certified deputies all over the country working with private resources.

This militia is totally a national guard force but the difference is that it would be completely separate from the US or state governments but still certified by the government to be a national watch dog for the general public, in this terror age, and a watch dog on the US and states governments, including the police.

In other words a real live national militia proscribed by the very constitution!

"Still certified by the government"? Uh, no. It's protection FROM the government.

"The militia is totally a national guard force." Uh, no. The "militia" meant every able bodied man.

The term "well regulated" meant "working well, like a "well regulated clock." We don't use "regulated" that way any more, but that's what it meant back then. It meant a group of citizens who could shoot straight.

Your idea is completely different and nowhere near what is proscribed by the constitution.

Read you're constitution

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"the security of a free State"

What force now is guarding that " free state" today?
NOBODY

This force would be the real deal. The police for the people.

The ones who police the police and politicians

If we had this force we wouldn't be in the place we are now.

originally posted by: Willtell
This national Militia would be empowered by:
The Supreme Court

Not really in the purview of SCOTUS to just empower a made up entity unless you've got one hell of a war chest to cover all the legal fees required to get a case in front of the highest court in the land.

Indeed a thoroughly legal force to be a national asset to protect the citizens against terrorism and a force to protect the people against government unconstitutional intrusion.

And you think SCOTUS is going to get behind a proposed organization who's stated goal is to actually stop agents of the government that the SCOTUS is at the top of the Judicial Branch of? Interesting premise.

The said national militia member would be legally empowered to be armed in ALL 50 states, with full investigative powers.

So you don't really want an actual Militia then. You want to create a new nationwide police agency that is funded by the Feds but answerable to... Whom? You? The framework Ty are proposing is illogical and not realistic.

a reply to: Willtell

Do you mean like a glorified group of Oathkeepers?

NO THANKS!

a reply to: peter vlar

I’m not a lawyer but the congress could pass the law and empower the Supreme Court to be its watchdog.

They empowered the Federal reserve to steal our money didn’t they?


It should be separate from congress and the president and NOT funded by the feds directly

a private militia with court and congressional powers to enforce law against terrorists and politicians and the president.

These our the guys who would and could arrest the
President if he goes rogue


Right now the president has the power to order the executive branch to kill anybody it deems fit to kill


what if the president goes crazy and starts killing his political opponents?

There's no real safe guard


It should be a national terrorist watchdog and a police of all the police forces in the country including the CIA

a reply to: Willtell

A national militia empowered by the government owes its existence to the government.

There is a reason why the military is not allowed to formally operate inside the borders of the US. There is a reason why the National Guard cannot be called out into any one state by the president, only by the request of that state's governor.

There is also a reason why the ultimate authority for our military is the civilian authority of the president checked by congress, not professional military generals.

Think about it for a while and see if you can't understand why these things might be.

Then get back to your idea and think about why a national militia empowered to act by government might circumvent so many of the checks built into the system that are revealed by what I listed above.

a reply to: Willtell

And this would work as well as the Federal wiretap courts ...

originally posted by: Flatfish
a reply to: Willtell

Do you mean like a glorified group of Oathkeepers?

NO THANKS!

Hell no!

They would take an oath to the constitution and to the American people

This group would be internationally certified with exhaustive training

Not just a hick with a gun


Psychological training

Weapons training

Civil rights training

Investigative training

Combat training

...and more


I mean Rambo, Sherlock Holmes combined

A real Judge Dred, with the constitution as his or her chief weapon

a reply to: Willtell

This sounds a lot like the "Constitution Rangers" which the feds shut down. It is going to be hard to establish a follow on to that failed idea. Good luck with this idea/effort.

a reply to: ketsuko

I find myself agreeing with you far too often lately. It's starting to freak me out a little!

This force would be the missing link in our judicial and governmental structure because it would be empowered to go directly to the judicial branch in any emergency that would threaten the constitutional framework of the country.


Remember Nixon ordered his Attorney General to fire a legally empowered Special prosecutor

This force now would be a safeguard against international and domestic terrorism AND the government…this government.

So if we ever have to go extreme to stop terrorism we would have a neutral force to safeguard the country from going into permanent tyranny and a surveillance state


Also this force would watch the police killings and have the right to investigate the police murders across the country


It could supersede the now corrupt FBI who will NOT indict Hillary for her known crimes.

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: ketsuko

I find myself agreeing with you far too often lately. It's starting to freak me out a little!

I'm sorry.

a reply to: ketsuko


This is a private militia

Empowered directly by the constitution not men of the government.

Of course one has to have civilian control to some degree that's why I say it would be empowered by the US constitution through the SCOTUS.

Don't they say the Federal Reserve is a private Bank?
Yes they do

If they can give all our fiduciary powers to a private bank, The Fed, why cant a PRIVATE militia exist to watch the governmental police and executive powers and to protect the country against terrorism

Understand the Feds job is NOT only to regulate the money supply bit also regulate employment.

This force has two primary duties: watching the powers of the government(s) and in this age of terrorism protect the public

a reply to: Willtell

Don't they say the Federal Reserve is a private Bank?
Yes they do

No. They don't. But let's not get picky.