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Students Protest Pro-free Speech Display at UMich

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posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 09:54 PM
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I hate the PC social justice warriors as much as anyone...

but I don't see the big deal here. The display was set up to directly challenge the PC crowd, and some of the PC crowd said they found it offensive. Sure, many of them said some very unsavory things supposedly, but thats ok. They didn't attack anyone, they didn't censor them. Some of the called the university to voice their anger, but the university didn't shut it down.

This is how free speech is suppose to work. No violence, no people getting fired, just good old fashioned disagreements.
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posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

Well, it does look like they splurged on at least two sheets of foam core. Honestly though I'm not trying to belittle their effort, but this seems blown out of proportion as the alleged protester was some sort of pro-Communist protesting their display's anti-Communist slant (such as it was), rather than a protest against free speech. Either the YAF conflated this into a "protest against free-speech" or the bloggers did.

Spend some time on a campus, and you'll see this type of guff all the time - some student organization up in arms over some other student/s lack of acceptance or rejection of their message. Student published news are full of it, that's why I never trust such articles, who knows how contrived some of these displays/protests are.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: Lipton

And I am saying the gov isnt punishing it...

People protesting it is not the same as the gov punishing for it.

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posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

And you want to shut down the free expression of people taking offense. Guess their expression doesn't matter.
/shrug.

If you can say what ever you want then I am free to respond how ever I want to you. That isnt being silenced. May just some hurt feelings.

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posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

The purpose of this demonstration was to antagonize, not to inform. Let's look at the words on the sign:

Social Justice
What's your pronoun?
PC Police
Political Correctness: The Iron Curtain of the University
Offensive
Thought Crime
Newspeak
Trigger Warning
Safe Spaces
Socialism
and the number for the hotline for reporting bias

This is what Constitutionally protected free speech is about to these kids? That's nothing but a list of Frank Luntz approved dog-whistle buzzwords including a couple from 1984. Completely missing from your source story is that this is occurring in the context of a campus that's got ongoing protests in support of the students protesting at the University of Missouri.

You'll get no argument from me on how appallingly ludicrous this "safe spaces" nonsense is and the racial segregation within protests nauseates me but at the same time, I know muckraking when I see it and I'm not going to pretend to be ignorant of nuance because of conservative political correctness either.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80

And I am saying the gov isnt punishing it...

People protesting it is not the same as the gov punishing for it.


State and federally funded institutions creating 'free speech zones', shutting down dissenting speech and labeling/punishing those involved.

Really? Are you really trying to be that facetious?

Just come out and say it. At least I'd respect you for being honest.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
I think people confuse what gov censorship really is.... people saying you shouldn't say something is not them silencing you or infringing your first. The first protects you from the state, it doesn't mean you can aay what ever you want with no consequence.


You don't find it the least bit disturbing that the students upset about this were unable to understand what "free" speech is?

The comments they made seem to indicate they don't understand it at all.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:08 PM
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posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I am not sure either side knows what it is...



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: Lipton

I am against free speech zones, strange who all is against them now, so fine we can agree there. I don't agree that speech is getting punused tho.

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posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Lipton

I am against free speech zones


What wait? Isn't the United States a "free speech zone"?



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Interesting OP. Then wait till you get a load of this. A Yale professor and his wife sent out an email before halloween reminding students they can just look away if they see a costume that may offend them. This is what ensued.


Political correctness has gotten way out of hand and Libtard is my new favorite word. The nerve of the little b. Now the students demand they step down because they didn't do their part to "protect" everyone and keep them "safe" while at university because some may have been offended by Halloween costumes. Unfreaking believable. And the way she throws a fit about it too. Ironic. You'll also notice, in longer videos of the same event, they snap fingers instead of clapping. Because clapping may be loud and offensive. F-ck political correctness already. This is enough.

More of the story can be found here
www.theatlantic.com...



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

It is about the dedicated ones. Like saying you can only protest on this spot of land or something like that.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:20 PM
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A tempest in the proverbial teapot. This is just a bit of campus theater by those who need some attention. Unfortunately, it showed that, as we suspected, many collegians are unaware of what they are talking about.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: FlySolo

The question I have is....

When the holiday recesses come...

and these students (as shown in the Halloween costume video) go home to their families...

How are their parents not smacking them on the backs of their heads while yelling, "We're spending all this gosh darn money for you to go and LEARN something! Not go out and be a friggen tool punk idiot!!!".....?

Edit to Add: Yes, although the public school system is stacked against them, I still blame the parents for letting their kids slip that far into insanity... that far into disrespect. My kid is 4... he is already learning to know better.


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posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Lipton

I am against free speech zones, strange who all is against them now, so fine we can agree there. I don't agree that speech is getting punused tho.

And you called me the shill , I didn't bait anything.


Strange who is against them?

There's an endless list of leftist trash-turned senators from the 1960's proselytizing from their soapbox in the campus quad.

Now you're honestly claiming the same holds true for conservative students today?

Gonna need some muscle

Just try to imagine the uproar if some white guy said this to a member of some other race.

MU would literally be burning.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: eluryh22

More importantly, or mysteriously, is why am I seeing so many baby boomers saying the same thing?



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: IAMTAT

The purpose of this demonstration was to antagonize, not to inform. Let's look at the words on the sign:

Social Justice
What's your pronoun?
PC Police
Political Correctness: The Iron Curtain of the University
Offensive
Thought Crime
Newspeak
Trigger Warning
Safe Spaces
Socialism
and the number for the hotline for reporting bias

This is what Constitutionally protected free speech is about to these kids? That's nothing but a list of Frank Luntz approved dog-whistle buzzwords including a couple from 1984. Completely missing from your source story is that this is occurring in the context of a campus that's got ongoing protests in support of the students protesting at the University of Missouri.

You'll get no argument from me on how appallingly ludicrous this "safe spaces" nonsense is and the racial segregation within protests nauseates me but at the same time, I know muckraking when I see it and I'm not going to pretend to be ignorant of nuance because of conservative political correctness either.



It didn't occur to me this was antagonizing.
I'm trying not to reject that concept out of hand but I saw an artist rendition of the stupidity that's been in the news lately when I viewed that wall. To me it was a powerful message with all the things that were weaponized for political agenda.

That's art. It means different things to different people. Maybe I can't see your side because I feel the college issues in the news show our youths ignorance in the big picture.

Everyone one of those words have been twisted and now do more harm than the good I believe they were intended for.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: Lipton

Free speech zones were huge during the on set of the Iraq war, that was my point. Both sides I would say have have been for and against them at different times. I do not agree with the reporter getting stopped from reporting either. And i don't play the what if games, let's talk when it actually happens.



posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

youtu.be...

The LBC gathered at the Homecoming parade to protest once again, meeting the red sports car in which president Tim Wolfe rode by interlocking arms and chanting, “It is our duty to fight for our freedom/It is our duty to win/We must love and support each other/We have nothing to lose but our chains.” By this time, the protesters are known as Concerned Student 1950.
If this link to Youtube works it is worth watching just to help to understand what the initial demonstration consisted of and who, all 10 of them, was responsible.

watch?v=u6zwnmlzZSQ&feature=youtu.be

It's just more poor black persecution bullshist.



Who is Concerned Student 1950? I have not found any definable link but I wonder if this is just another demonstration instigated and promoted by Black Lives Mater, which is funded by who? Concerned Student links to Condé Nast Digital. Condé Nast Digital's parent company is Advance Publications.

en.wikipedia.org...

Advance Publications, Inc., is an American media company owned by the descendants of S.I. Newhouse Sr.; Donald Newhouse and S.I. Newhouse, Jr. It is named after the Staten Island Advance, the first newspaper owned by the Newhouse family, and where the mailing address for Advance Publications is listed on paper (although Advance does not have an official headquarters).[2] As of October 2014, it was ranked as the 44th largest private company in the United States according to Forbes.[3] Crain's ranked Advance Publications the 4th largest private company in the NY area in 2012. In addition to holding publishing and communication assets, Advance serves as the holding company for the family's 31% stake in cable entertainment company Discovery Communications

I smell instigation from somewhere further up the food chain. I personally believe this may be instigated by Black Lives Mater and George Soros slimy hands at the helm funding that group but I don't have the evidence to definitely say.

Watch the video. It's not very long. If my link doesn't work, will someone please help fix it for me?

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