Family files $25 million wrongful death lawsuit, releases video of in custody death

a reply to: VoidHawk

Unfortunately we live in such a litigious society that people CAN'T speak up or they risk their livelihoods (and sometimes more) to do so. I'm not saying this is RIGHT....but it is reality. It isn't just limited to law enforcement either....

Sometimes people have to weigh what's the right thing for them to do considering their circumstances....and that might mean towing the line.

Those sadists murdered that man. So sickening and so sad. The family should get a whole lot more than $25M.

The medical examiner said Lambert died of "acute coc aine intoxication," CNN reported.

The autopsy concluded that Lambert had "less than 0.01 mg/L" of coc aine in his system, MSNBC reported.

That's a relatively low amount of coc aine, but could still account for an overdose, Lewis S. Nelson, a toxicologist and emergency specialist at NYU Langone medical center, told MSNBC.

"Having a level of 5 mg/L or higher would be more consistent with death due to coc aine intoxication," Nelson told MSNBC. [Source]

And the obligatory attempted coverup too. Seems the sadists stayed employed?

a reply to: Domo1

No, I don't think it's malicious intent at all. I think they're out of shape and scared to go hands on. Only one of them looked to be anything close to in decent shape.

I think they saw the taser worked to arrest his movement once, so they kept using it every time they didn't get the response they wanted. I don't know how good their training is, so I can't offer an opinion on it. What I CAN say is I think they they FORGOT their training.

Bumbling idiots who have forgotten their training isn't usually going to play out well.

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
a reply to: VoidHawk

Unfortunately we live in such a litigious society that people CAN'T speak up or they risk their livelihoods (and sometimes more) to do so. I'm not saying this is RIGHT....but it is reality. It isn't just limited to law enforcement either....

Sometimes people have to weigh what's the right thing for them to do considering their circumstances....and that might mean towing the line.

Hi.
Yes, towing the line!
I made mention of a vid to Shamrock6, in it they explain exactly what happens to cops who don't tow the line.
I'm searching for it now, dont remember its title so might take a little while.

Far out that was serious incompetence...i can't believe they tazed him so many times all for what kicking out the window after they taking him to the hospital for an evaluation....

Then it takes 2 years for the vid to be released and only because it was ordered by a court ...WTF ...the officers involved should be fired with no pension and the commanding officer of the station should be charged for withholding evidence.....

a reply to: VoidHawk

Found the vid. Skip along to 11:30 for what I was referring too, but I highly recommend taking the time to watch all of it.

Become part of the Borg

a reply to: Shamrock6

Posted that vid I mentioned above, skip along to 11:30 ish.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Well he made a some sense there and liked the way he explained and i quote this little gem...

"Let's simply identify what the truth is and articulate it,nothing is harder to see than the truth we have come to believe so deeply that we don't even see them,because of our narratives become self referential and we are bounded by mutual self interest and characterized by heavy dose of group think "

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I thought it deserved its own thread HERE

a reply to: VoidHawk

After watching some of the video it reminds me of how cults operate...

Another confirmation:

As a former officer I can only tell you what I have seen in a larger city department. You go into the job believing you are the good guys and see the officers who are the cowards and the criminals in uniform are the ones who get promoted and become your bosses. Even if you try to do the right thing and be a good officer you will always be a threat to the cowards and criminals who got promoted. Go into this profession with your eyes wide open, there are a lot of good cops and just as many bad. If you believe that being the good cop will get you anywhere you are sadly mistaken.

If you try to expose these bad cops they will destroy your career in a heartbeat and or get you hurt (call for back-up and nobody comes!) Even as the good cop you have to look the other way or you will be destroyed, It eats at your gut every day. Give me the dirtbags on the street anyday.. they don't cause the stress, the political machine and lust for power cause the stress. I was so glad to get out the day my pension kicked in.

I Wish I Never Became a Police Officer

Some info about how they work…

The screams of people being shocked by a stun gun sound eerily similar to the blood-curdling cries of torture victims, so incidents that involve unarmed students raise hackles. But there's another factor underlying the public distrust of Tasers: the possibility that they can kill people.

In the period between 2001 and 2005, Amnesty International reported, 150 people died in the aftermath of receiving shocks from a Taser.

Tasers

a reply to: VoidHawk

I noticed i starred and flagged it ..

I will watch the full vid later when i get a chance but he seems to have good insight,and like you mentioned the digital cages we find ourselves in are very apparent when pointed out

And, I'd bet their IA rubber stamped it, and the local prosecutor nol prossed the thing.

There is no functional feedback to keep the crap LEOs in check. Their peers don't, their review process doesn't, the state and local legal authorities don't.

I'd love to see the prosecutor stand before a microphone and justify that.

Sorry guys I see little wrong. The guy smashed a window, tried to flee the police , was paranoid and dangerous regardless of being cuffed, admitted he was high on coc aine, a drug that has unpredictable behaviour traits for each person. Anyone that feels the police were going to kill him when you are simply concerned taking them to ER is dangerous.

He did not cooperate multiple attempts to get him on the stomach. If you say to someone I will do something to you (when an LE) if you do not comply, and the person refuses to comply, then they have no choice. By not following through it will undermine the authority and the individual will not comply to further orders.

The guy was high and tried to run through glass for christ sake, a danger to all surrounding people.

The problem lies in the car afterwards. The police should have realised that he was feeling the affects of the taser ( although he walked backed to the car fairly well, too well to justify slumping and not cooperating). His lack of cooperation led to further tasers which led to the eventual inability to sit upright, an action they would have seen as disobedience, and so on and so on.

It's a shame what happened to him, but when high volts, drugs and a lack of understanding on the individuals medical requirements (heart problems) things like this will happen.

At no point leading up to the event did the police do anything wrong. They were kind, respectful in their orders and concerned, without patronising him.

Even when he ran into the glass they followed procedures.

Unfortunately his lack of cooperation and paran mentality led to this downfall. A shame.
Please think objectively. This moral outcry BS against LE who clearly are not bastards is getting very annoying, hence the long post.

a reply to: rossacus

"Didn't sit up" doesn't fall into the Taser area of the use of force continuum. Almost at opposite ends of the line, in fact.

ETA - I should add that the agencies I've worked for it doesn't. I suppose it could in South Boston. Who knows.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

the officers involved should be fired with no pension and the commanding officer of the station should be charged for withholding evidence.

I agree. However according to the OP's link:

All three officers have been promoted.

Unbelievable!

-dex

I think this points out why many fear police. It's not necessarily that they think all cops are bad, it's that we don't know which ones. When LEO pull someone over, they don't know if it's a mild mannered person who's not going to give them trouble, or a psycho looking for an excuse. We are the same. Is that cop the local bully? Having a bad day and I'm going to get it taken out on me?
We Don't Know.
So we react the same as they. We don't trust them any more than they trust us.

a reply to: Shamrock6
Fair enough but it does fall into the bracket of non compliance/disobedience. I can understand he would struggle after many volts but is was unfortunately down to his own lack of conformity that caused it to happen.

Most people would man handle him for smashing the window and trying to flee, especially if he didn't reciprocate the respect they showed initially.

a reply to: rossacus

And as I said, I don't have a problem with the initial encounter. I have a problem with applying the Taser while he's cuffed and shackled.

In the back of the car.

Multiple times.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Wow! Now this is totally unexscusable... Just total Dog piles!!!!!! I cannot believe anymore how disgusting some L.E.O.'s are. Yes there are some who do their job correctly, being honest and tollerable of human rights,and respecting us as citizens, but SOME have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to wear their badge!!!