Donald Trump: We Will Have a ‘Deportation Force’

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are moving the goal post. The immigration issue is not just about those coming in. There are millions who already came and have yet to leave. How do you know it wont be done on the state level? Have any proof or is that just an assumption? How do you propose a force capable of deporting large numbers of people without temporarily growing government? Has a cost analysis been performed? Perhaps in the long run the cost are better for the country to pay upfront to remove the "moochers" aka those collecting welfare and entitlements, using services, etc that are here illegally.

Because there is no feasible way that Trump could work with all the border states to get them to all agree to work together to do whatever it is he wants. That isn't how the federal government does things. Whether you like it or not, Trump's plan WILL expand government. You just have to get right with that. Just because I can't know for sure doesn't mean it isn't highly likely to be the case. I mean it is so likely we might as well assume it is true.

I got an idea, how about trying to identify the reasons the illegals are coming here in the FIRST place and creating policies to address that? If the illegals are happy where they live, you don't have to worry about them being here to throw them out of the country.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

They come here because their country offers limited opportunity and our laws are lax or unenforced and enticing them with our "safety net". How are we to address that? Seems like someone is addressing the things America should be responsible for. Hint its not the well being of other countries.

originally posted by: peskyhumans

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: crazyewok

The most we could hope for is to remove any illegals with a criminal history other than the crime of border crossing.

One thing we should all be able to agree on is that it would be legal but immoral to remove every person in the usa that has not obtained citizenship.

There will be no complete wall and no removal of law abiding immigrants.

There is a much deeper issue with trump and that is he is a narcissist.

I disagree. What's both illegal and immoral is entering a country illegally. It's both legal and moral to deport them.

No you are very wrong and we have a duty to morality.

Many of the illegals are far more morally sound than many citizens.

It is not immoral to cross a border illegally but there are very many circumstances that does make it immoral when combined with other activities like smuggling contraban...

a reply to: NihilistSanta

That's a pretty simple answer for something that I expect has a VERY complex answer attached to it. So I'm just going to assume that you are wrong (or at least not 100% correct).

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Krazysh0t

They come here because their country offers limited opportunity and our laws are lax or unenforced and enticing them with our "safety net". How are we to address that? Seems like someone is addressing the things America should be responsible for. Hint its not the well being of other countries.

It is easy cause the real reason they come is to take advantage of the currency exchange rate.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
No you are very wrong and we have a duty to morality.

Many of the illegals are far more morally sound than many citizens.

It is not immoral to cross a border illegally but there are very many circumstances that does make it immoral when combined with other activities like smuggling contraban...

Is it moral to follow your countries laws? It's wrong to murder isn't it? Wrong to steal? Well illegal immigration is morally wrong for the same reason. You don't just walk into another country and expect to be treated to all the same rights and liberties as the citizens just because you're there. There's a legal way to immigrate that they could follow if they wanted to do the right thing. It involves learning the language, learning our history, and accepting our laws and way of life. For example, Cinco de Mayo is not an United States holiday. Yet how many illegals still celebrate it?

I would say for this reason the illegals are less moral than native born citizens who are following the laws.

It would be like me taking a boat to the UK and demanding housing and free healthcare but refusing to get citizenship and still fly an American flag on July 4th and launch fireworks in the middle of the night while blaring the 1812 overture. I think the brits would agree that's not behaving very British.

Trump: "I'm going to build a wall!"

The entire country of Mexico: "This idiot understands that there are thousands of miles of ocean border, right? I mean he knows we can just boat over to South Padre or San Diego, yes?"

In the odd alternative reality where a moron like Trump actually gets elected, even in that alternate stupidity reality, Trump builds no wall, and has no "illegal immigrant task force". For starters, how would said wall be funded, and how many decades would it take to complete?

And for fun, how many new tunnels from Mexico (dug on both sides) would already be in use before said wall was completed, secure, etc.?

a reply to: anon72

Legally or get out- My family did it-legally. They should have to as well.

Let's be honest-there is no excuse for the savage colonization, your immediate family might be spared the shame but the shame has to come from somewhere.

Native Australians, Native Americans, Incas, Mayans etc-the Spanish and British claimed their land and turned a blind eye to the locals. And now we must apologize and make amends and for good reason.

Sure you and I never did anything wrong but we are guilty by association.

a reply to: peskyhumans

Yes the legal argument against illegal crossings is just and sound.
We have to take into account INTENT when dealing with the law. Most are here because of failed legal immigration policies and other extenuating circumstances that fuel the migration. There are way too many jobs out there that do not pay enough to provide basics for americans because of the amount and value of the currency. That creates a need for workers and since us dollars are worth ten time that of mexico they can just take the poor wage of the usa and send the money home where it is a good wage.

Crossing a border illegally is similar to me as a seatbelt violation. It is not enforced but it allows the police to become involved if something more than a seatbelt violation is happening. and yes it takes profiling of many types to identify the criminals.

originally posted by: peskyhumans


It would be like me taking a boat to the UK and demanding housing and free healthcare but refusing to get citizenship and still fly an American flag on July 4th and launch fireworks in the middle of the night while blaring the 1812 overture. I think the brits would agree that's not behaving very British.

Actually in some parts that's about as British as you can get, you would fit in nicely in east London or Luton

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
We need to address the reasons why they are coming here in the first place. Otherwise this is just a never ending game of idiocy and hot air.

There are 5 billion that want to come here if they could all for the same reason that they think America is better than where they live. We need to get these millions documented and put heavy finds on companies that use them while securing our borers to stop the flow. That would be a start.

I will volunteer if it's for real!

a reply to: tmeister182

Join the DHS and get into ICE then, Trump wants to create something we already have.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: tmeister182

Join the DHS and get into ICE then, Trump wants to create something we already have.

Its the American way.

No better way for your American congressman and president to get rich at the expense of the idiot masses than Alphabet soup.

originally posted by: introvert
This is a bad, bad deal and no one should support gestapo-like tactics. If Obama or a Leftist had said something like this we would be calling them Hitler.

Remember that time when we had a nation deport another ethnic group? They couldn't deport them to a nation so they deported them into camps. And it was done to the cheers of the nations residents just as it's being done now.

Those who fail to learn from history and all.

In the last week I have heard that we need to kill Muslims because they don't believe in the right God, that we need to kill civilians before they get the chance to radicalize and fight back, that we need to steal Iraq's and Kuwait's oil as the cost for liberating them, and now that we need to have a special deportation agency as if ICE isn't enough. If we go back a couple weeks it was that illegals need to be enslaved.

We have a political faction right now calling for the outright enslavement and genocide of multiple groups and people are cheering it rather than being repulsed. I know that it's only a small group doing the cheering but even a small group is too many for this type of rhetoric.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: introvert

I wonder if it will be trains that will do the "deporting". And uniformed and armed Trumpsters going house to house looking for them. And they will have to wear emblems on the clothes for identification, and oh, the tattoo parlors will get a big boom. go trump

This is a serious question I have for Trump. We can't just drop them off on the other side of the border in the middle of a desert. In fact we can't drop them off anywhere inside another nation without that nations permission unless we invade and escort the deportation vehicles with our military. All Mexico has to do is say we won't accept the train and that's that, we can't send the illegals there and that is precisely what is going to happen.

So where does Trump propose we place these people? Do we make a special city for them to all populate? Do we go to the extent of walling that city off so they can't come back into the US?

These are major logistical questions.

originally posted by: Edumakated
Destroy it how? There are plenty of people who will do the work who are here legally. If the illegal immigrants still want to do the work, they can apply to come here legally to do so.

According to what we tried in Georgia no, there aren't plenty of people. They offered $20/hour to pick crops in the field and 90% or more of it rotted. It cost the state hundreds of millions of dollars before they forced the prison population into the fields using slave labor to salvage the situation, and it would have bankrupted their entire agricultural industry given just a couple more weeks.

There are things we can do to reduce labor needs like massively increase hydroponic gardening (which would also reduce pesticide and water use) but Americans are not willing to do these jobs. Every estimate I have read has said farmers need to offer between $40/hour and $50/hour to even begin to get people in the fields. What is that going to do to food prices? We're paying illegals minimum wage or less, hiking that to a wage that's above that of over 80% of the population is going to make food even more unaffordable and food inflation is already out of control.

a reply to: Aazadan

That just sounds like an advertising problem and not a labor problem.

Sounds like they planted before having anyone set to pick.

If you take away the jobs and fine those who hire them, they wouldn't have a reason to stay here illegally and would self deport.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: anon72

So Trump's plan to get rid of the immigrants is to expand the government?

While cutting others that are useless to us, yes. Like Homeland insecurity. Trump needs to call out Obama on these so called very wealthy terrorist refugees before its too late. If they start blowing up stuff in the U.S. he will have his force real dam quick and they will be flying the Confederate flag lol. Here in the south anyway!