a reply to: cavtrooper7
Wow.. some people.
Here's the situation. People get killed. Politicians have to be seen to be doing something. They are going to alter the situation. You may as well be
part of the solution instead of BAWWWWWING, right? Logic, right?
How is that refutable? It's the "gun nuts" that are refusing to play ball. "BAWWWW MY RIGHTS" about sums it up. Where's your common sense? Everyone
else is talking about it, you lot are just complaining.
How is that indefensible? You're part of the solution, or you are part of the problem. Refusing dialogue is being part of the problem. What reason do
you have for that? "BAWWW MY GUNS" doesn't work.
That's not feelings, that's logic. Your feelings on the matter is resulting in you being unable to see logic, even when it benefits you. I am saying
that either you could lose a little, or a lot. You are saying you are refusing dialogue because you don't believe you should lose anything. Look at
the politics, dead kids never look good for politicians. The gun lobby needs to learn how to talk without "bawww our guns/rights" cos that is getting
really old and isn't stopping deaths. All your crap about saving lives because you have guns, isn't stopping school shootings is it?
a reply to: wildb
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms (excluding BB and pellet guns) were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries
(26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000), 21,175 by suicide with a firearm, 505 deaths due to accidental
discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent" for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding
firearm deaths due to legal intervention).
In 2010, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were conducted using a firearm.
The point of the matter, AS I HAVE POINTED OUT SEVERAL TIMES, is that there will be dialogue regarding firearms and the crossed arms foolish biases of
idiots screaming about their rights and how much fun it is to shoot things, will not do you any good.
Do you want to lose all of your guns, or just a few? That's what it comes down to. You make a concession, or you could lose the lot. Maybe the
politicians won't restrict what firearms you can own. You don't know unless you participate in the discussion, intelligently.
Look at nations where there's effective gun control. Look at the murder rates and weapons used, look at the accidental deaths with firearms... Knives
and most other things that can be used as weapons are a lot harder to commit mass murder with. You are NOT more likely to die from a knife injury.
You are proven wrong on so many fronts. Stop making things up to support cognitive biases.
As for the concessions, AS I HAVE SAID MORE THAN ONCE (Don't you know how to read?) dialogue has to be opened. The "BAWW MY GUNS" crap that biased
fools spit is not opening dialogue.
Perhaps in dialogue licencing restrictions can be implemented. Maybe no firearms will be banned at all. Maybe people with certain mental illnesses
will not be able to own semi or fully automatic firearms. Perhaps there will be a caliber restriction to those living in suburbia. Maybe all they will
do is state that you need to keep the firearms in a locked safe or with trigger locks. You don't know unless dialogue is opened. If you refuse, you
lose. You don't want the PTA, lobby groups and politicians making the entire choice for you, do you? That will not work out well for anyone.
The fact is, the discussion needs to be had and while there's fools around yelling and screaming about their perceived right, nothing will happen.
Dispense of the ego and open dialogue, or you won't have a say and I can promise that you won't like the outcome.
Every time there's a mass murder, publicized murder or school shooting you lose a little more ground and even credibility.
Jumping up and down denying facts and refusing dialogue DOES NOT HELP ANYONE. You are losing the battle.
There is a place in suburbia for certain firearms. Yes, you should be entitled to self defense. No, your firearms should not be stored in a cookie jar
where they are more likely to be stolen or accessed by a child.
TL;DR for those that cannot comprehend basic English. Open dialogue, learn to communicate or you lose. They will make the decision for you if all
you can manage is "BAWWW MY GUNS/RIGHTS".
edit on 26/11/2015 by LilFox because: (no reason given)