what a shame this is probably a correct statistacal assumption assuming nothing changes other than our sex lives
it doesn't say very much for our society in my humble opinion
nor our future as a power
our population explosion along with tech explosion has allready reduced America to a nation of service, it is the only growth industry aside from the military, which will be the largest
this is why we give illegal aliens that enter the military and serve priority citizenship acceptance [ Bush ordered manifest] and NYC is going to raise taxes on junk food cause it is a service industry and obiesty has over taken tobacco as the leading killer of citizens
our population will increase and quality of existience, not life, will decline and our childrens children will be fodder for the military industrial complex
has to be a better way out

tut tut

I doubt there will even be a country called America by 2050.

At the rate America s going, it will be a third world country in 2050.

Europeans have stopped having kids. There probably wont be hardly any Europeans left in 2050, with the massive drop in birthrates. They too, might expreience population surges through massive immigration. But it will be from non European countries, so Europeans themselves will probably disappear.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
I doubt there will even be a country called America by 2050.

Why do you doubt ?

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
At the rate America s going, it will be a third world country in 2050.

Europeans have stopped having kids. There probably wont be hardly any Europeans left in 2050, with the massive drop in birthrates. They too, might expreience population surges through massive immigration. But it will be from non European countries, so Europeans themselves will probably disappear.

100% correct. In the europeans medias, we're allways hearing that we need immigration ( from non-western countries, of course ! ) due to our massive drop in birthrates, but OTH, the same medias ( and peoples ) are telling us that abortion, pills and so on are very good. !!!!!?????? " Don't do kids, immigration is there "

There is someones who want to destroy our culture and cilivilsation.

Youre right, Phoenix, sadly right. I saw it when I was stationed in germany. People justify it. of course Europes birthrates have dropped. European govornments have made it impossible for the people to have families! taxation, high cost of housing, ect, plus the constant drilling of western culture being responsible for al the evil in the world line of crap. The laxness and contempt of the family unit, plus the brainwashign of the kids: education is everything: dont have kids, blah blah blah. Population control has been enforced on the European people, yet the immigrants arent told not to have kids, stop bring more people in the world, ect.

This is such a massive case of reverse racism. It basically tells Europeans its ok for them and thier culture to disappear from the planet, while any attempt to preserve thier homelands and culture and history is seen as racist. This is whats so disturbing about the EU. The Eu wants to make racism illegal. The problem is thoer definition. Will being proud to be German or belgain or French suddenly be racist? Scary.

I remebr in germany, how surprised I was to see so many Turkish immigrants there. I had always thought Germany was where Germans live. yet german has a negative population growth.

Someone needs to wake up and see that Europeans have just as much right to exist as any other people, without thier cultures and histories being wioed away. Europe doesnt need immigration, it needs to get in touch with its inner child and stop giving free rides to assylum seekers while natives here have to get to the back of the line.

it's actually quit sad that our nations rely on immigration if every couple had two kids we wudn;t need immigrants

I assume most of the educated Russians and Ukranians are either moving to North America or western-Europe. It's called "brain drain." Should you waste your mind making no money in the former U.S.S.R., or move where you can make bucks?

Depends how greedy you are, and what you think of the culture in other countries compared with your own.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Depends how greedy you are, and what you think of the culture in other countries compared with your own.

It is an economic reality. Would you stay where you are making no money and have a miserable life? I would not. It is not a matter of being greedy, it is a matter of providing a reasonable life for your family.

Yes, family is definitely a consideration if there is just one principal qualified breadwinner.

But I'm not sure I could equate 'making no money' with 'miserable life', or what you get if you turn that on its head. Not everyone has mercenary goals and not everyone has their life ruled by the almighty dollar.

Hey, I for one am pulling for Russia. They have many natural resouces, and a gigantic population, many of which are highly educated. Maybe they are not as nationalistic or altruistic as you are, though. Call them greedy for leaving, I don't blame them. Let me put you in touch with my Russian maid who is making more money cleaning my crap than she could make in 4 years in Russia. She is college educated and sends the money back to Russia to raise money for the rest of her family to come here.

At a 410-million strong population in 2050 and extrapolating on its current economic and political course, do you think the US will still be an attractive proposition for educated Russians and Ukrainians then?

Hey Masked;

Your right, moving countries is one dramatic change of life. but people do move for more opportunities and a better life. And money is usually the driving force. A lot of foundations and charities are funded by the rich--look at Gates foundation, he is funding Aids research and other causes in Africa. He has also stated he will give away most of his wealth through the gates foundation. Maybe most of the rest of the world sees the one place for a better life is here in the US.

Economics drives most decisions-thus why is the US the only Developed country seeing population growth as stated in the article posted at the outset.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
At a 410-million strong population in 2050 and extrapolating on its current economic and political course, do you think the US will still be an attractive proposition for educated Russians and Ukrainians then?

I am not a fortune teller. I can tell you the present, though. Neither the Ukraine nor Russia have economic opportunities. Who in their right mind wants to wait until 2050? Maybe move to America and then move back once the situation improves there?

Better idea, why dont they just stay where they are at and improve the mess in thier own backyard? You dont have millions of poor Americans migrating an masse to other countries like in Europe, to live on the socialist system there since they cant make much a living back home. If youre poor and dumb in America, U stay there and hope somehow either your luck will change, society will change, or you change it yourself. perhaps because this is the end of the line for us, since we are descendants of people who instead of taking care of problems in thier own country, fled to another.

But there still wont be any Europeans left in Europe in 2050 at this rate. Its because thier govornemnts makes it exremely hard to have kids, if youre a native. No limits on how quick the immigrants can breed tho.

Nope, the poor just migrate to states with better wellfare systems in America! That caused Wisconsin to change their laws because thousands of poor people from Chicago were moving there.

Freddie,

Sorry I didn't mean to cast you in the role of clairvoyant. I was interested to know if you would be optimistic about the future of the US economy and political system for the next 50 years, and you're not blindly optimistic.

All the time I've spent in the Bay Area has caused me to conclude it's the number one area for homeless people from all mainland states. I don't enjoy seeing hundreds of beggars every single night. It reminds me completely of everything I see in all the third world countries I've visited, except in SFO they are fed on the surplus of some mighty fine restaurants. How prevalent is that in other US cities?

I don't think the disparity you portray between life in the US and life in Russia/Ukraine is all that enormous. But market forces in the former Soviet bloc will drive the wealth gap for a few years, particularly while the Mafia have a 'hold'.

If I asked a hungry, highly qualified individual in the former Soviet Union (except for being a research scientist) I think I would hear 20 other countries he would migrate to before the US.