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What is happening to young people in British Society?

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

Hear Hear, I totally agree, I was smacked by my parents and I thank them for it.




posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: anxiouswens

So one video of kids acting like assholes is supposed to be an indictment of the entire generation? I see old people grumbling about young people still exists.

Of course old people grumble about the young ones. It is part of our right of passage. Every generation of elders passed on some great truths, unfortunately we didn't listen to our elders any more than the youths of today will listen to us.

When we reach the platform that takes us to the next tier of wisdom, we have the ability to see clearer the impact our bad choices made in our own lives. I believe because of this we feel almost compelled to try to warn the youth of our day, in an attempt to spare them from having to live with the results of bad choice in their lives.

Of course the effort is futile and greatly resented. Humans don't seem to have the 100th monkey gene. We have to learn by putting our hand on the burner, and wearing the blisters as our badge of learning.

I tried to have a discussion about youth and the generational divide. It was very short lived.
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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

I can only speak to this from my perspective in the USA, and I don't expect it to be a popular one, but I don't see anything more than kids living the example set by the adults.... garbage in, garbage out so to speak.... and what they've been taught is that if you want something just use whatever force you need to get it. No respect necessary for anyone else's rights or wants or needs. Might makes right.

If you refuse to get out of your seat in class, then wannabe campus cops can flip your desk and throw you across the room -- might makes right! Or if anyone doesn't automatically accept and kowtow to the absolute authoritay of a cop, shoot 'em dead in the streets like a rabid dog... might makes right! If you want a gay wedding cake and that stupid Christian won't bake it for you, just pass a law and force them to bake it for you at the point of a gun... or financially ruin them for life -- might makes right! If you don't like another country, go to war -- might makes right!

And on and on and on...

Seems to me kids (and lots of adults) are just leaving out the middle man -- the cop and/or soldier -- and exercising their own brand of "might makes right." There was a time (at least in my little world), where force was only used in self-defense and lethal force was used only as an absolute last resort. Not anymore. "Adults" now draw their own arbitrary lines in the sand... forcing their will on others under color law and at the point of a gun... why would we expect any different from our kids? Who taught them that might makes right???

Corporal punishment only reinforces this "might makes right" mindset. A good swift kick in the butt can get their attention, but that's just the beginning... we have to teach them what they should be doing, not just what they shouldn't be doing. "Don't do that because I'll hurt you!" Then what??? I sure didn't get off that easy... and neither did my kids. When I was a kid, I used to WISH for a spanking... A spanking would have been over and done with! Instead, more often than not, I got a loooooong lecture and I was grounded -- to give me time to think about what I did -- and before I could be off "grounding," I had to write an essay on why it was wrong and what I should have done and what I would do better in the future. I actually had to think and reason and find real solutions that actually respected the rights and wants and needs of others -- GASP!!!

That's just crazy talk today... and then we wonder why our kids are out-of-control punks... Big heavy sigh...



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 08:32 AM
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That looks interesting I will read if after.

I do think things have shifted from what they used to be though. At one time hitting an elderly person would have just been an absolute "no-no", even the worst kind of people wouldn't have dreamed of hitting an old lady. Even the Kray Twins wouldn't have hurt their Grandma or anyone from that age group!! There just seems to be no boundaries anymore, everything is acceptable it seems.a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

LMFAO!!!



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: stumason

I agree with you, there's nothing wrong with our children in the UK!

The problem with teens like the ones mentioned in the OP, is that they don't have anybody who really cares for them, they have no love and thus no reason to stay out of trouble. Unfortunately children from dysfunctional families usually have very little chance (or no chance) to be happy, and their anger is their weapon.

I say we need to understand those teenagers instead of just judging and controlling. If we look at societies where young people are happier (like Nordic countries or the Netherlands) we'll clearly see that their voices are heard and respected, and governments offer lots of free activities to children whose parents cannot (or won't) afford (idleness = trouble indeed).

I am totally against physical punishment: my parents used to smack me and I hated it, so I have never smacked mine. I have raised my children with clear boundaries and lots of love, teaching them that whatever choice they made/make will always have a consequence... and I have two teenage sons who are polite and respectful to adults.
Children copy their parents behaviour, and when parents are not a good role model I think society has to intervene, for the sake of those children.



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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

This has a lot to do with single parent families I think. Many Parents don't have the time these days either to see their kids (working longer hours and 7 days a week). Used to be a 5 day week with occassional Saturday work!

The Governments must take a big percentage of the blame for break ups of Families and values!



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: stumason


Also, it is worth pointing out the vast majority of "young people" are well behaved. Don't let the behavior of some poorly educated, badly brought up yob tarnish your view of all "young people"....

You have brought up so many good points, i don't which one to respond to. I will start with "the vast majority of "young people" are well behaved."

While that may be true, the number of those well behaved children are dwindling fast. For a long while some angelic children, would magically begin to act like demon spawn the moment their parents turned the corner, now they don't even bother with the pretense. They act like little demons right in front of their parents. Worse than that is that their parents don't seem to notice or just don't care.

I traveled to peoples home for over 40 years, and I have been in the communities of richest of the rich, to the poorest of the poor. I can tell you from personal experience that the level of respect towards others and the civil behavior of the youths has severely plummeted over time.

I don't blame the youths. The responsibility and the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the parents, that have replaced parenting with either neglect or a need to be the BFF, cool mom or the cool dad.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: Agartha

Unfortunately children from dysfunctional families usually have very little chance (or no chance) to be happy, and their anger is their weapon.

Let me start my response with a disclaimer. I am not trying to be a smartass.

What is a dysfunctional family?

I ask this question because as I look around me and I engage in conversations with famiies in the various communities I travel, what I see is the same thing. The same lack of discipline, rules or responsibility. The same lack of respect and the overt sense of entitlement. The same physical disconnect from each other and a constant, obsessed, connect with electronic devices. The new functional family seems to be right in step with our world and society of today.

The family that talks to each and works together as an integrated family unit, is the odd man out. If they don't give their children smart phones, or the children have restrictions on their TV and computer time they are the mean ones. If the children are expected to read books, do chores, eat together and give a summary of their day for the family to share, they are the strange ones, the Weirdos, the ones to be pointed at and laughed at.

So I ask this question because I don't know what a "functional" family by today's standards is supposed to looks like.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens




I was smacked by my mum and I haven't grown up damaged in any way. What I would say though is I was frightened of my mum (I still am!) and it is more than just thinking I am going to get smacked. Obviously at nearly 50 she isn't going to be smacking me but I still have that fear of her which is hard to explain.


I don't think promoting a sadistic parent-child relationship is healthy for either parties involved. Clearly you state your still anxious around your mother because of the use of violence she used against you. I know you don't do this to your child. If you want to do that with your child,that's fine but to say because there's a lack of physical punishment from parents as one of main causes to the moral "decline" of children in society is ridiculous.

It's because parents enable certain behaviors to persist due to the extra time and effort it would require on their part. Since many parents of this generation are working 9-5 jobs and/or several part-time jobs, or are single parents. Many of them don't have time to sit around to teach their kids the standards of socially acceptable behavior. So they end up having to learn it themselves, through peers or role models and other mediums i.e books, the internet, films and etc. Much of what is in those other mediums advocate the individual over the community, materialism, apathy and greed. I would argue this a indirect result of the corrupted economic system we have.

It also doesn't help that some parents heavily indulge and endorse some of the reprehensible content in those other mediums as well.
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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: anxiouswens
What do people think is causing this total disrespect in our young people and is it the same in every Country or just here in Britain?


It absolutely is here in America.

I chock it up to a few things, but mostly a waning group of parents who are willing (or even capable) of instilling respect for and the value of human life into their children. It seems that people are all-to-eager to defend these parents, whining about hard lives, or having to work X-amount of jobs to make ends meet, or blaming movies and video games, or the internet, or anything other than those who are in the #1 position to have such an influence on their children.

I, for one, will not tolerate this type of behavior in my son, and I'm lucky enough to have a child who is full of empathy and kindness and wouldn't dream of acting this way. I'd like to think that my wife and I taught him that, but I also just think that this is the default setting in most human beings, and we just didn't allow someone or something to hit the reset button.

Participation trophies, no real discipline, parents afraid to tell their kids "no" because it might hurt their feelings, political correctness...all of this and more are contributors to this problem. And let's not forget about the increasing willingness of parents to shove pills in their children's mouths in lieu of actual parenting.

My two cents, but I'll tell you what, I'll got to jail in a heartbeat for smacking some sense into a kid if I every witnessed something like this. At least it'd be one instance of them realizing that what they're doing is wrong, and that some people will not stand for it.

My two cents, anyway.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

I was battered at home and at school and It did help sort me out.
It was controlled battery and no malice in it (well maybe Mr Marsden enjoyed it a little too much) but I didn't do half the the naughty things I did again.
We have been getting a load of young adults at work and I'm amazed on how little they know about anything.
I had to explain to two young girls what a star was the other day they didn't know the sun was a star....



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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I was bought up to say please, thank you and pardon, just basic manners and I would never have spoken to an adult in a cheeky manner or been disrespectful. I would have been too frightened to in case it got back to my mum.
a reply to: anxiouswens

That's exactly how I was brought up. I think the disrespect, rudeness and lack of respect comes from the environment they're raised in. Parents today want to act like friends with their kids rather than a parent. They also don't emphasize the importance of respecting adults and those in authority.

Social media and reality TV also play a big part. A lot of kids interact more by texting than by face to face interaction. They no longer have to face the emotional reaction from the person they're interacting with. That alone makes kids lack any kind of scruples or feelings toward people.

Reality TV has a lot of poor role models. The entertainment industry has dragged our kids through the mud with all their immoral and sexually explicit reality shows. Kids mimic these poor role models and think it's the proper way to act.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

LOl don't worry, I didn't think you were trying to be a smartass.

I think a dysfunctional family is one that has unnatural roles within its members and that fails to prepare children to become stable adults. By unnatural I mean the dynamics within members is damaging to the children, because of drugs or alcohol dependency or some type of abuse (whether it's physical, sexual, psychological). Dysfunctional families do not give children an emotionally stable environment, hence they become unstable too when older and they have no sense of respect as they don't know what that is.

To me it's not about how rich or poor you are, or how absorbed you are into technology: it's about letting children be children without exposing them to unnecessary trauma.

I think a functional family is one that allows children to feel safe and respected.... functional families make mistakes too, but that is different, I am not talking about perfection as no family is perfect, I am talking about a balanced environment, where children have responsibilities according to their age and not adults ones.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: Agartha
I understand now.

Thank you.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: stumason

I agree with you, there's nothing wrong with our children in the UK!


After travelling around New Zealand and Australia for two years between 2012-2013. One of the main differences I noticed between the UK and those two countries (apart from the weather) was the kids.

Kids in the UK have an aggressiveness that simply does not exist with aussies and kiwis. People in general down under are friendlier and seem to smile more.

Its interesting because the very first day I arrived in Aukland, a fellow traveller told me his opinion about going back to the UK for the first time in 10 years. The aggressiveness of the kids.

Kids also in western europe and scandinavian countries dont seem to have it. But those in Eastern Europe do .

I think it stems from culture and circumstance and a lack of sun. At least in scandinavia they actually have a summer!



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: stumason

I agree with you, there's nothing wrong with our children in the UK!


After travelling around New Zealand and Australia for two years between 2012-2013. One of the main differences I noticed between the UK and those two countries (apart from the weather) was the kids.

Kids in the UK have an aggressiveness that simply does not exist with aussies and kiwis. People in general down under are friendlier and seem to smile more.

Its interesting because the very first day I arrived in Aukland, a fellow traveller told me his opinion about going back to the UK for the first time in 10 years. The aggressiveness of the kids.

Kids also in western europe and scandinavian countries dont seem to have it. But those in Eastern Europe do .

I think it stems from culture and circumstance and a lack of sun. At least in scandinavia they actually have a summer!


Thee Internet and gang being formed due to parents not watching their children properly. This is exactly what happened to USA. Why else is US full of ridiculous gangs? In school teachers are not always watching kids and gang recruitment happens easily there.(Same with USA). The difference is British teenage gangs don't get access to gun unlike USA side. Freaking adults expect way too much of schools influence hoping they can teach children to be more polite. Also Old people tend to be grumpy sometimes that could be an issue foricing people to punch them.
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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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Also Old people tend to be grumpy sometimes that could be an issue foricing people to punch them.

Hey watch it there #makemap. You just hold on there.

I earned my grumpy button dang nabbit! You youngins just need to slow your britches down a pace, and show us old folk some patience and respect.

You don't want to go around excusing youngins for punching us crotchety old folks. We are littel to punch back, you little pip squeak.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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It is interesting what you say about history. I read an article recently which said most people are prone to believing everything was better with their generation. They put it down to the brain remembering good things and discarding bad things (bar horrific events).

I have always looked back at my upbringing in 60s and 70s Yorkshire with fondness but history shows something completely different. The 3 day working week, constant strikes, very little money for extravagances, the restricted food choices compared with today and the infamous blackouts. At 7pm the electric would go off for the remainder of the night.

As kids we found this exciting all huddled with candles chatting until it was time to go to bed. Can you imagine that happening to the digital kids of today? They would think Armageddon had arrived!


a reply to: Debunkology

I worked in New Zealand 2008/2009 and saw a similar thing with children there. I may be wrong but I put it down to the quality of life there and the widespread opportunities available to children of all ages. The outdoor life in particular. I was amazed at how many children go fishing!


With regards to the comments regarding bad parenting. I am not sure if this can be generalised. I think it also has to do with a child's character/personality. My stepdad was beaten up and chained under the stairs by his parents. He was put in an orphanage at 11 where he was sexually abused. His younger brother shot himself in the head accidentally at 18. His 19 year old nephew died suddenly and his father (my stepdad's brother) hung himself a week later. Despite all this my stepdad was one of the kindest, gentlest people you could wish to meet, always helping someone.

When you look at the problems around the world and what children in these counties are faced with and subjected to, how come they are all not monsters? One in a 100 of us is a psychopath so they say. Most are law abiding and live normal lives but they all lack empathy towards another human being (the defining trait). It has been reported that psychopathic traits can be detected in very early childhood development. Maybe these nasty kids we see in the MSM are not the product of broken homes but are in fact psychopathic.


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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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Maybe these nasty kids we see in the MSM are not the product of broken homes but are in fact psychopathic.

Well, there still is the age old argument about "nature" vs "nurture"; but there are a lot of other factors that I think should be considered.

You spoke of the lights being out after 7 pm when you were growing up. There are some psychologist that believe the effects of ambient lighting and the repetition of an interrupted natural sleep cycle causes a deleterious disconnect from us and our planet.

The constant consumption of artificial chemicals from cradle to grave, is believed to cause chemical imbalances in the body and brain.

Increased levels of pollution in our water and air and constant exposure to unnatural sounds and electronic frequencies are said to effect the mind and spirit.

So the world today is full of possible ills, add uncaring, neglectful, and non-present parents to the mix, and you could end up with a bad batch.

To be honest I think that children today, have it much harder. When I was a child there was no guess work involved in being a child. You knew your place, you knew what was expected of you, you knew what the consequences were for being disobedient. You had chores and responsibilities. Almost every second of your day was mapped out for you.

You had neighbors that looked out for you and would smack your butt if you got out of line, and you still had plenty of time for playing with your friends until it started to get dark. I wouldn't want to be a child in today's world. They have more things, but I think they are missing out on the things that are really important.



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