Rancher killed by two police officers after his Gelbvieh Bull is hit by car.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: boncho

Bad news for the innocent rancher family...another injustice at the hands of two idiot people pretending to be responsible cops.

As for the cattle wandering around as they please into traffic...haven't Americans ever heard of...fences?

For the sake of a couple of lengths of wire, a few posts for a fence and a half dozen billion missing brain cells for the cops...that unfortunate rancher would still be alive now.

That gets me too, in a way. it's considered "free ranger" land, but I don't see how that works.. car hits my prize bull, I sue and win against the driver. But the driver loses, the farmer loses.. why not fence that behemoth in.

What if I'm some unscrupulous night time thief, and make off with said bull.. or just a complete scumbag and kill it..

I dont get that law.. but yet it is on the cards.. and in this case, not in question.

what is in question is why the sheriffs dept called this poor soul out, only to murder him.

It smacks of the despatch lady telling the man driving his heavily pregnant wife to hospital to "just tell them shes pregnant" as he was being pursued only for him to then be at gun point, forced to the ground under duress, for 20 mins as they decided to call an ambulance..

remember the days of a cop escorting pregnant mothers to the hospital? That was when they were law enforcement officers, and not POLICY enforcers... employed by a non-government agency, but a corporation. hidden under the legal aspect of government...

a reply to: EternalSolace

You would think so, huh? I've noticed that, sometimes, local cops are semi retired from bigger cities and have very little knowledge of farm animals or what to do when they get out of control.. They do their 20, get a pension, then come to BFE and get a job as city cop or Sheriff's Dept. I live in a very small town [ pop under 3,000 ] and some of the local PD wouldn't know a cow from corn, much less what to do if a 2500 lb bull was loose. Several don't even know local laws as well as the citizens. They're just here to cushion their pension. If they don't know which end of the bull is dangerous, stay out of the way and don't ASSUME that badge makes you an expert. And that is what really bugs me about this whole thing. They didn't have a clue how to bring it down quickly and with mercy, just start blazing away, pissing it off even more. Then, when someone comes in who they called and actually knew how to get it done , they get paranoid and shoot the guy.
You know what the really shi**y part is?
It's just another day and one more needlessly dead citizen in Police State America.

My short take is that they are training the 'cops' to act as if cops were the only thing on earth who are allowed guns.

When they see a gun, or even imagine one, (especially when they see it in their mind's eye), they often automatically act out as if they were about to be gunned down. So they open fire.
When they see a screwdriver, they often automatically act out as if they were about to be stabbed, so they open fire.
When they see someone turn their back on them (Williams, Dillon, Conoscenti and many more), they often automatically act out as if they were about to be ignored, so they open fire. Not good.

We are being taught this by our masters. They are sick in the collective head, and want us to know there is now nothing we can do about it. You are as likely to get killed by cops as any perp that caused the call.


This message (see first line) is implied by their actions. There are many recent examples.

Someone with a badge will come along and explain, "well, it could have gone any number of ways".

I wonder what the general actuarial tables read out for legal gun carry vs traffic stop with woman cop, excluding aggravating circumstances?

Brownshirts are never a good sign. Psychopaths to the bone, and for a reason.

For a laugh, why not watch "The Devil's Own", starring Brad, and Harrison.
Watch how Harrison loses it, because he saw a 'bad shoot'. See how times have changed, in less than 20 years.
My God. I don't know who's dreamier. Brad's flowing locks, precious buttocks, and jaunting jawbones, or Harrison's gravely, passion of Christ vocals and his eternal struggles balancing good and evil...

Thank me later.

Oh, God Bless Amerika…never had it so good.

# 544

Another sad demonstration of how our law enforcement groups are not really into protecting and serving, despite their slogan.

Tarantino is spot on.

The Main Stream media message behind such a story is never be the "Man with a gun, man with a gun!"

Anywhere everywhere USA will one day be full of anxious ridden indoctrinated people crying out, Oh no, a Man With a Gun!

originally posted by: intrptr
The Main Stream media message behind such a story is never be the "Man with a gun, man with a gun!"

Anywhere everywhere USA will one day be full of anxious ridden indoctrinated people crying out, Oh no, a Man With a Gun!

Wasn't there a biker shoot in Waco Texas recently, wherein the authorities (I will have to refresh my mind on this one) were shooting people from rooftops?

I heard the media lying about this just yesterday. They said the 'gangs' were responsible for the deaths there, with no mention of the 'cops' who were shooting bikers like fish in a barrel! Then they arrested everyone who was there, because they could. They were charged with 'being near a crime'. Un freaking believable. In TEXAS! I could not bear to listen, because it's like seeing a person burned alive. The newscaster (paid liar) is basically in flames, but doesn't realize it yet.

What did they expect? A reward for amplifying lies?

It doesn't work that way.



# 545

a reply to: TheWhiteKnight

Theres your sign.

Mine was Waco, the burning of the Branch Davidians, (regardless of who's side we're on, nobody deserves to be burned alive in their own home).

The bull was black, that explains a lot.

Another day, another person killed by a cop.

Its only going to get worse.

This whole thing sounds botched from the start...I need more information than something that has quotes from people calling police rifles M-16s (and the news source making sure that they made the comparison of the "perhaps an AR15 rifle" to a military M16 that isn't really used anymore).

But, if this really went down as is reported by the obviously biased witnesses, this is a pretty terrible incident. But like I said, more is absolutely needed to determine the veracity of what is stated is story.

Also, on a side note and not being a rancher, if I had a firearm on me--especially an AR--and there was a rampaging bull in front of me, I'd be trying to shoot it down, too, human or not. At some point, attempting to protect yourself and others at the scene is more important than being humane to the animal. But, knowing how cattle and horses get put down when injured like this, I may have at least tried to aim for the head...but that'd be a very improbable shot on a rampaging bull.

ETA: This will most likely be insanely unpopular with some of you, but if the rifle that the rancher was holding did go off, that definitely helps defend the officer's/officers' decision to open fire. I'm sure some of you will twist that into me meaning that the officer(s) should have shot to kill, but understand that is not what I said.

originally posted by: boncho
Rancher killed by two police officers after his Gelbvieh Bull is hit by car.

Gelbvieh is like an Angus. 2500 LBS

You kind of have to read this one to get the whole story, or totally believe what happened. A Bull was hit by a car, ended with a shattered leg so it started going nuts, crashing into things, what have you. The rancher family, an elder gentleman, his wife, and nephew all came out to see what happened. The old man sends for steer loader, a rifle for putting down cattle.

By this time the Bull is back on their Farmer's property, but the cops come back to shoot it with their rifles. Apparently when they started shooting at it with their guns it got the bull going ape-snip again, and the old man comes back to put it to rest. Supposedly had his back to the police when it happened, they approached him, turn him around and opened fire.

His wife is currently in the hospital after suffering a heart attack.

The rifle’s barrel was about 2 feet from the bull, and Jack Yantis’ finger was on the trigger.

“Everything was going as planned. … I did not notice any conversation at all” between Jack Yantis and the deputies, Paradis said. “Then the one cop turned around and grabbed his shoulder and jerked him backwards.”

The deputy came from behind, spun Yantis around and grabbed the rifle’s scope, Paradis said.

The deputy pushed Yantis. The rifle was still in Yantis’ hands, its barrel pointed at the ground. Yantis was trying to regain his footing.

Paradis said he does not know whether the rifle fired, but he thinks it might have discharged accidentally when the deputy grabbed Yantis and spun him, or when one of the deputy’s bullets pierced Yantis’ hand holding the rifle, hitting the gun and damaging it.

One deputy began shooting at Yantis, then the other deputy started shooting.

Read more here: www.sacbee.com...=cpy

See the article for more information.

Edit: An ATSer local to the story has made some comments on it. Thank you dreamingawake



Edit: To note) Thread title is "two police officers" thought I should point out it was two deputies from the local Sherrif's Office.

Edit: Found a local blog covering this topic. Which includes information about the Troopers who will be investigating the case, and who have been shown to have concealed information in another case where an office was suspected of vehicular manslaughter, where they wanted to change the facts so it reduced culpability of the officer.

It also states that the rancher was asked by the Sheriff to go check on the accident with his Bull:

Perhaps the most infuriating aspect of this tragedy is the fact that Yantis was shot because he had responded to a call for help from the same Sheriff’s Office whose personnel killed him on the scene.

freedominourtime.blogspot.ca...

I'm currently in the area of where this happened for various reasons, but the people I have talked to give incredibly different variations of the story. Of course the people who hate the police are saying the officers just shot the rancher when he got back with his rifle, most people are saying the bull started going nuts and BOTH parties had weapons drawn and were posed to shoot, but the officers began firing first, this challenges that he has his back turned.

There's also an intriguing snippet I've picked up, the officers shot the bull before the rancher got back, but failed to kill it, this is what supposedly put the bull into motion, as the rancher returned the officers were firing on the bull when the rancher was hit.

I've heard very few claim that the officers intentionally fired on the rancher, and certainly no one that was there. I've heard the opposite of one who was.

What bugs me, if the bull was shot prior to the ranchers arrival, where in the world did they shoot it? It's not hard to kill a bull in this situation. Two, it's the ranchers job to put the bull down, why not just wait for his arrival?

Either way, this is a story being twisted by both parties, be careful who you believe on it. Honestly the most likely occurrence here (I'm just going to fall back on occams razor here) is that the officers were firing on a bull that had suddenly gone haywire and accidentally struck the rancher.

On another note, if officers start firing, or have their weapons drawn, just get out of the way. If they even have weapons drawn, back off, stay out of the line of potential fire. Situations like this make things more complicated, but staying out of the firing line is infinitely more likely to expand your lifespan. I'm fairly sure that anyone here who has used weapons learns this at a young age.

Shoot first, ask questions later. Typical of police. Nobody matters except themselves. I fail to find any logic whatsoever behind their actions.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
This whole thing sounds botched from the start...I need more information than something that has quotes from people calling police rifles M-16s (and the news source making sure that they made the comparison of the "perhaps an AR15 rifle" to a military M16 that isn't really used anymore).

But, if this really went down as is reported by the obviously biased witnesses, this is a pretty terrible incident. But like I said, more is absolutely needed to determine the veracity of what is stated is story.

Also, on a side note and not being a rancher, if I had a firearm on me--especially an AR--and there was a rampaging bull in front of me, I'd be trying to shoot it down, too, human or not. At some point, attempting to protect yourself and others at the scene is more important than being humane to the animal. But, knowing how cattle and horses get put down when injured like this, I may have at least tried to aim for the head...but that'd be a very improbable shot on a rampaging bull.

ETA: This will most likely be insanely unpopular with some of you, but if the rifle that the rancher was holding did go off, that definitely helps defend the officer's/officers' decision to open fire. I'm sure some of you will twist that into me meaning that the officer(s) should have shot to kill, but understand that is not what I said.

It is botched, people here seem to be twisting it just as much as the media without asking the necessary questions, so much for seeking the truth huh? I find it odd that we demand the truth so vehemently but when it comes time to criticise ourselves we seem have absolutely no interest in it. How is that any different that everything this site stands against?

I'm going to say it again, 0.0052% of officers are involved in shootings year round. The statistics are out there, double check my work. That's even using a highly biased number of shootings from someone heavily anti-police.

That's a pretty low percentage, what is it people want? Perfection? Nothing has changed in this number for decades. It's not new, the only new thing is the media finding every single incident they can and then exposing it in the most controversial way possible, how much do you want to bet they're viewing rates go up drastically on these stories?

It reminds me of what I've read about Vietnam, it could appear to one that major opposition of the war didn't set in until the media started crawling around the backlines taking pictures of dead soldiers to send back to outlets here in the U.S.

It reminds me of ebola, I may not have been a long time member but my friends I've been reading this site for over half my life, I am young, but that equates to nearly a decade, I remember a great number of people on here freaking out about ebola. Then it disappeared off the media, and soon after it stopped being talked about here.

More examples? Okay. The genocide in Darfur, Syria, Ukraine, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, the list goes on my friends.

That is not in response to the OP btw, he's just posting information he's garnered for discussion, it's in response to those who respond with hatred towards the police before actually taking part in the discussion.

wow sounds like one big fluster cook.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

This whole thing sounds botched from the start...I need more information than something that has quotes from people calling police rifles M-16s (and the news source making sure that they made the comparison of the "perhaps an AR15 rifle" to a military M16 that isn't really used anymore).

I believe that was the wife, she probably doesn't know much outside farm rifles, so she thought M16, unless it was the reporter, but I don't think so from what I read.

Also, on a side note and not being a rancher, if I had a firearm on me--especially an AR--and there was a rampaging bull in front of me, I'd be trying to shoot it down, too, human or not. At some point, attempting to protect yourself and others at the scene is more important than being humane to the animal.

Here's the problem, the animal eventually calmed down and headed back to the ranchers property. Apparently the cops came over and started shooting it and that's what got it freaking out again. So, if that story pans out they were escalating the problem rather than solving it.

Maybe bad communication from the Sheriff to the Deputies, but the Sheriff called the rancher and asked him to take care of it. In this case he should be treated like a professional, or as a consulting expert. Meaning the deputies should have just done whatever was his recommendation.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Because the police must think they know better than ranchers what to do with their own bull.....
No pun intended this thing is really tragic and I live in an area where there are a lot if ranchers and I have respect for them.

This is an older article. The story broke about a week ago.

Apparently, the bull didn't made it back to his property and started charging..

www.foxnews.com...

The cops wanted to put down the bull and I wonder if Yantis got upset and started threatening them. A bull can be a very pricey animal and the key to a successful farm.

So I have a feeling that they start arguing and before you know it, the guns were drawn. A battle you will most definitely loose with two cops against you.

It could be in the end that one man died because of an argument with cops. Either way, the cops should have shut up and just move on considering that Yantis tried to bring the Bull back under control...

Cops in the United States really need to re-evaluate their position in society especially their leaders. I have a feeling that more and more tragedies will come out of this, solely on the statement that they "cops" need to protect them selves because they want to go home to their families in the night. Well, we want to do the same, too!

a reply to: flyandi


Here is more to the story:

www.foxnews.com...

[QUOTE]
The family’s version of events begins with Yantis being informed of the accident around 6:45 p.m. An Adams County dispatcher told the rancher he’d have to go down to the highway and put down his 2,500-pound black Gelbvieh bull, whose leg was injured by the crash and who was becoming agitated. As Yantis was making the necessary arrangements to take care of the animal, the deputies began shooting at the bull, but failed to kill it, instead reportedly hitting it in the gut, prolonging its misery and causing the bull to become even more distressed.

Yantis finally got his .204-caliber rifle and stood about 2 feet from the bull, prepared to shoot it when “one cop turned around and grabbed [Yantis’] shoulder and jerked him backward,” according to Paradis. The rifle’s barrel was still pointed at the ground at this point, the family contends, though Paradis does allow that the gun may have fired, perhaps accidentally. A deputy said later that he had been grazed by a bullet, according to a family friend also present, who contends he didn’t see any “blood,” “torn thread” or “powder burn.” The official statement on the incident also alleges that one of the deputies suffered a minor injury.

That discharge prompted the deputies to turn their guns on Yantis, shooting him in the chest and abdomen, ultimately killing him, the family said. When Donna and Paradis approached Yantis, the deputies “threw us on the middle of Highway 95, searched us and handcuffed us, and wouldn’t let us go take care of Jack,” Donna said. Paradis said one of the deputies pointed a gun at his head.
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a reply to: flyandi

The deputies were wearing body cameras, Adams County Sheriff Ryan Zollman told the Statesman on Thursday, though it’s unclear whether they recorded the incident. A dash camera in the deputies’ vehicle was not turned on, Zollman said. The investigation is currently in the hands of the Idaho State Police.

Unlikely we will see what happened either.

originally posted by: Interstellardove

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
This whole thing sounds botched from the start...I need more information than something that has quotes from people calling police rifles M-16s (and the news source making sure that they made the comparison of the "perhaps an AR15 rifle" to a military M16 that isn't really used anymore).

But, if this really went down as is reported by the obviously biased witnesses, this is a pretty terrible incident. But like I said, more is absolutely needed to determine the veracity of what is stated is story.

Also, on a side note and not being a rancher, if I had a firearm on me--especially an AR--and there was a rampaging bull in front of me, I'd be trying to shoot it down, too, human or not. At some point, attempting to protect yourself and others at the scene is more important than being humane to the animal. But, knowing how cattle and horses get put down when injured like this, I may have at least tried to aim for the head...but that'd be a very improbable shot on a rampaging bull.

ETA: This will most likely be insanely unpopular with some of you, but if the rifle that the rancher was holding did go off, that definitely helps defend the officer's/officers' decision to open fire. I'm sure some of you will twist that into me meaning that the officer(s) should have shot to kill, but understand that is not what I said.

It is botched, people here seem to be twisting it just as much as the media without asking the necessary questions, so much for seeking the truth huh? I find it odd that we demand the truth so vehemently but when it comes time to criticise ourselves we seem have absolutely no interest in it. How is that any different that everything this site stands against?

I'm going to say it again, 0.0052% of officers are involved in shootings year round. The statistics are out there, double check my work. That's even using a highly biased number of shootings from someone heavily anti-police.

That's a pretty low percentage, what is it people want? Perfection? Nothing has changed in this number for decades. It's not new, the only new thing is the media finding every single incident they can and then exposing it in the most controversial way possible, how much do you want to bet they're viewing rates go up drastically on these stories?

It reminds me of what I've read about Vietnam, it could appear to one that major opposition of the war didn't set in until the media started crawling around the backlines taking pictures of dead soldiers to send back to outlets here in the U.S.

It reminds me of ebola, I may not have been a long time member but my friends I've been reading this site for over half my life, I am young, but that equates to nearly a decade, I remember a great number of people on here freaking out about ebola. Then it disappeared off the media, and soon after it stopped being talked about here.

More examples? Okay. The genocide in Darfur, Syria, Ukraine, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, the list goes on my friends.

That is not in response to the OP btw, he's just posting information he's garnered for discussion, it's in response to those who respond with hatred towards the police before actually taking part in the discussion.

Good for you buddy. Your rational adult countenance will not be appreciated. These threads are just a magnet for the oft-arrested ne'er-do-wells whose primary hobby is hating cops. If they weren't on here grousing and hating the police, they would be down on the street corner with the convicts doing it verbally. One's first inclination is that nobody could possibly say half this garbage that you read on here, with any semblance of seriousness. But ooop dere day is....in every thread.