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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: game over man

So now the idiot media is trustworthy and knows everything going on. The same idiot media that claimed Russia was flying nuclear armed bombers over the Guam area.


Russia and China were informed. They didn't announce it to the public. They gave a launch window for when it was going to take place. That was even posted for all the range areas, as posted by Jim Oberg.
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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 08:54 PM
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when there is a light observed by many humans they wonder what it is.

if enough humans think it was caused by humans, then it was caused by humans.

if enough humans think that it was caused by an asteroid then it was an asteroid.

if enough humans think it was caused by a being from outside of their world then it was caused by a being from outside of their world.

but what difference would it make from where it was caused? because from what is apparent is that to humans what they tell each other, that is what it is. it doesnt matter what "actually" is.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:00 PM
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Why should you or I, trust anyone?

How do you know those countries were informed if they didn't announce those countries were informed to the public? Are you two not the public?

I don't understand how you and Jim Oberg know the exact same stuff as those heading up the nuclear weapons in China and Russia. "Oh we know those countries were informed..." Ok...sure....Where is Jim Oberg's proof that China and Russia were part of the launch. I will phrase it that China and Russia are part of the launch if they knew it was happening, at the exact time, exact location as you two are claiming. If they did and they produce their own nuclear weapons ballistic missiles they are going to closely watch every second of the launch to learn about the US launching capabilities.

If they knew every detail about the launch as you two are claiming, does that not concern you? Do you not see the bigger picture if what you're claiming is true?



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: tommyjo

originally posted by: FlyingFox

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: FlyingFox

In all likelihood, "the enemy" had been informed that the launch was going to occur.


What if....not? Was NATO informed of the recent Topal M test?

As I was saying, there could be a definite purpose to NOT informing the enemy.


Nothing to do with NATO. The pre-warning of ICBM/SLBM launches goes back to the 1980s and the then signatories between the then Soviet Union and the US. Both sides realised that a test launch could be mis-interpreted as a rogue launch or the start of an attack. The notifications continued through the various nuclear treaties signed between Russian and the US.

www.state.gov...

The Russians would have been pre-warned with a time-frame to expect a launch as per the nav warnings published.


2. For launches of SLBMs from submarines, the notification shall indicate the general area from which the missile will be launched. Such notification shall indicate either the quadrant within the ocean (that is, the ninety-degree sector encompassing approximately one-fourth of the area of the ocean) or the body of water (for example, sea or bay) from which the launch is planned to take place.

3. For all launches of ICBMs or SLBMs, the notification shall indicate the geographic coordinates of the planned impact area or areas of the reentry vehicles. Such an area shall be specified either by indicating the geographic coordinates of the boundary points of the area, or by indicating the geographic coordinates of the center of a circle with a radius specified in kilometers or nautical miles. The size of the impact area shall be determined by the notifying Party at its discretion.


I guess I'm pointing out, or asking why, the press didn't pick up on it....since it was such a "big surprise" for everyone.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: game over man

I see you didn't even bother reading the links I posted. But please, quote where I said they knew every detail about the launch.

Once again, and again, and again, they are notified of a launch window that covers several days, as well as a general area the launch will come from. That's all they are required to be provided with.

As Jim posted several times, there was a warning posted for the five areas these missiles would travel over. It gave a window that started on the 6th of November and ended on the 10th of November. It didn't say a damn thing about when the launch would occur or where it would occur from, only that there were potentially dangerous operations occurring during those dates.

Nuclear capable missiles are not launched towards other countries that have them without warning. Yet again, and probably again, if you do then there is the very real risk that they're going to think it's an attack and they're going to fire ARMED nuclear missiles back.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: FlyingFox

Because the media doesn't pay attention to NOTAMS and range warnings. Even if they did though, all that tells you is something is happening on the range at some point. Is it a short range missile that doesn't leave the range? Is it aircraft activity? What is it?
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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:15 PM
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So what about that agreement...All of a sudden the US, China, and Russia play by the rules...ok...Where is the proof that the US was notified for the Norway Spiral, the Perm Russia missile, or the Shenzhou launch for example? I'm not buying the US phone called or put in writing that, "We are launching on this exact minute from these exact coordinates..." Grab the popcorn enemies...yeah right...Maybe for the sake of this thread they gave them a heads up but no way would the US want them to be able to closely observe the launch. That seems stupid and the quote, "in bed with the enemy".



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:19 PM
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Seems like just a tad bit more information than what the press released to the public but not that much more. You two were emphasizing that the enemies knew sooooooo much more than what the public did. I even said our enemies probably are only able to study our launching capabilities off the youtube videos but I was laughed at. So do you still think they were spying on us and our enemies have better footage than what was filmed by civilians in SoCal and uploaded online?



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: game over man

Actually read what people are saying. Stop reading what you want to hear and read what is being posted.

They notify of a LAUNCH WINDOW. They don't tell them exactly when or where. They give them a weekand the launch is sometime in that week.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: game over man

If you had actually read what was said, and not what you wanted to see, you would have seen that I'm saying exactly what I've been saying all along. Russia and China were notified of a launch window and general launch area, as required.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:34 PM
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I want links...I'm not taking anonymous screen names spreading rumors or the word of Jim Oberg. I want facts and links not words put in bold like you're yelling at me. I asked you was the US notified of the Norway Spiral? I think you've mentioned one example of a near nuclear war because an enemy wasn't notified? Are there any examples of zero notification of missile testing that did not lead to a panic near nuclear war?

Didn't some ridiculous error happen at one of our nuclear bases in the midwest region I believe, in the past couple years that just showed our incapabilities but did not lead to a panic of near nuclear warfare? I think maybe a security failure?

Doesn't China have some special building known for hacking into the US government?

Who has more advanced missile technology between the 5 nuclear countries? Or do they all the same technology?



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:51 PM
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Don't our missiles have a shield of some sort? Wouldn't Russia or China be able to closely watch the event and hack into our computers to learn about the mechanics of the shield and understand how to disable it? Aren't our missiles built to fire at Russia and China? Didn't someone mention that even without notifying our enemies they would know the missile was unarmed from satellite/radar tracking?

I'm just not buying the level of politeness this agreement specifies in reality. What is the point of having Trident II missiles and nuclear weapons if you never use them? I bet the US is not notified when other countries test their missiles. I bet the other countries break the rules.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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Ahem.


originally posted by: JimOberg on Nov, 8 2015 @ 06:58 PM
Note that the NAVWARN message runs through tomorrow night and was NOT cancelled after Saturday night's launch.

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: game over man
a reply to: Zaphod58

I want links...I'm not taking anonymous screen names spreading rumors or the word of Jim Oberg. I want facts and links not words put in bold like you're yelling at me. I asked you was the US notified of the Norway Spiral?


Moscow issued a standard NOTAM for that launch, in advance, do you want to see it?


edit on 9-11-2015 by JimOberg because: add notam



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:57 PM
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Don't our missiles have a shield of some sort?
No.


Didn't someone mention that even without notifying our enemies they would know the missile was unarmed from satellite/radar tracking?
Um, regarding your first question. How can you ask that if you think there is some sort of shield. But no, there is no way to tell if the missile carries an armed warhead.



I bet the US is not notified when other countries test their missiles.
You lose the bet.

Russia informed the United States earlier this week that it would carry out a test launch Tuesday of an intercontinental ballistic missile, a US defense official said.

"We have been notified of this test earlier this week. It's not unexpected," the defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AFP.

www.newsmax.com...

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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Project blue beam, in full effect.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: game over man

I gave you links. You ignored them.

Once again.

Ballistic Missile Launch Agreement Signed in 1988, still in effect today.

There were links provided about the Norway spiral test too. Yes the US was notified. As required.

A security failure isn't nearly the same thing as a nuclear capable missile launch. They put cruise missiles on a bomber that would have to carry them all the way over close to Russia before launching them. That's not even close to the same as a no notice ICBM launch.
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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Thanks for the link...I appreciate it...your article from 2014 also states:


Putin has emphasized that Russia must maintain a strong nuclear deterrent, in part because of an anti-missile shield the United States is building in Europe which Moscow says could undermine its security.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: game over man

Which isn't capable of stopping ICBMs. It undermines their medium and short range missiles.



posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: game over man

Yes. But that is not a shield against ballistic missiles. We don't have that yet.



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