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Is the News Media Still Suppressing the 911 Truth?

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 02:28 PM

originally posted by: seagull
A reporter/journalist ignore even the remotest possibility of breaking a story concerning the most monumental event on American soil, since Pearl Harbour?

Not a chance in Hell would a good journalist walk away from a story of that magnitude.

To be able to bury not one but two, or more former Presidents and their administrations? Get to destroy the intelligence apparatus of the United States, maybe other countries as well?

They'd be making movies about you for the next two hundred years.

The possibility of death in the face of that? Wouldn't faze 'em for a second.

any that dare to look into it get fired by the media corporations which are owned by a few rich families.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 02:50 PM
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

emmm no

I know that 19 people hijacked and crashed four planes.

Have I woke up in a alternate universe or something???

I guess you did.

Because 7 out of the 19 alleged hijackers are alive and sued our government to clear their names. You know that, so why do you venomously defend the OS lie?
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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 02:54 PM
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Again it is quite clear then that any silly claim that 9/11 was a CIA false flag is a "Conspiracy theory"

And you have the evidence that it is not a CIA False Flag?

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:00 PM
a reply to: HorusChrist

Oh, poppycock.

Couldn't possibly be that there isn't anything new? Yes, I know, I'm a sheep or whatever who has bought into the Official Story...

Why would getting fired necessarily stop one from investigating this? That would only lend credence to the story, yes?

If there is, indeed, anything to the various conspiracy theories concerning 911, then it'll take a bit of courage to tell the tale. Thousands of reporter/journalists out there, and not one has broken the story? Not one? That right there might suggest that there really isn't much to see that hasn't already been found and discussed ad nauseum.

Has anything truly new been brought forth? I don't mean repackaged regurgi-posts of the same old tired theories. But something startling, and new.

I can't recall anything just off hand.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:12 PM
a reply to: seagull

Thousands of reporter/journalists out there, and not one has broken the story? Not one?

Let me post this again.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:25 PM
a reply to: wildb

Mainstream journalists expose 9/11 hoax

Several leading American mainstream journalists say that the US government is lying about 9/11 and the so-called war on terror. Unfortunately, media owners and editors won’t let them report their findings.

Recently, Seymour Hersh, America’s top mainstream investigative reporter, broke the news that the US government’s claim to have killed Osama Bin Laden on May 2nd, 2011 is “a big lie. There is not one word of truth in it.”
Hersh went on to harshly criticize his long-time employer, the New York Times, and other big media outlets: “We lie about everything, lying has become the staple.” He said all big US media outlets should be shut down for lying to the American people.

Other mainstream journalists agree that the US government’s story of Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 is a big lie. Sherwood Ross, an award-winning journalist who has worked for the City News Bureau of Chicago, the Chicago Daily News, and for Reuters and other wire services, told me in a recent radio interview:

This is a good find

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:28 PM
a reply to: wildb

I did read that, but thanks for posting it again.

Do you know what I don't see there? Evidence.

Do you know what I do see there? Opinion.

Show me the evidence that it's a put up. A sham.

I have no more trust in the US Govt., or any other govt. for that matter, then many of you. Less in some cases.

But if you're going to take this to a jury, and that's essentially what you are doing by putting out there for the American, and the world, public to see, you need irrefutable evidence. Evidence that people can not look at and say "Not true, here's why." You have to make 'em say, "I don't know", "I can't answer that".

I'm willing to look at evidence. But all too often, I'm seeing nothing but unsubstantiated opinion. Circumstantial evidence that while it looks damning isn't.

But, hey. Keep looking. If it's out there. If it's there to be found, it needs finding. Badly.

So don't think I'm against you, or the others like you, I'm not. I just need convincing.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:34 PM
a reply to: seagull

Do you know what I don't see there? Evidence.

Seymour Hersh is one of the most respected Reporters of all times.

(born April 8, 1937) is an American investigative journalist and political writer based in Washington, D.C. He is a regular contributor to The New Yorker magazine on military and security matters. He has also won two National Magazine Awards and is a five-time Polk winner and recipient of the 2004 George Orwell Award.[5]

He first gained recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. He, in 2004, reported on the US military's mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison.

It is a well known fact, that mainstream media and News papers are nothing more than propaganda machines.

And the fact is, That is why the dying dinosaur media has lost most of their ratings and people are shutting off the News.
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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:44 PM
a reply to: Informer1958

Respected, yes. Doesn't make him the font of all wisdom.

I'm supposed to take his word? How is that different from taking the govt. word?

Evidence. I'm not asking for much here. Evidence that I can take into my hands (if only metaphorically), study, and come back with "OK, I can't deny this, this must indeed be what happened."

I make no claims to being uber intelligent. But I'm not stupid, either... I've looked at the evidence that's been brought forward over the past decade plus, and none of it is irrefutable, or the stuff that is, doesn't take me where it takes you.

As I said in my last post, I'm not against you, but I'm not convinced, either.

And, frankly, unless something earth shattering is brought forward by Hersh, or someone else, I don't foresee me losing my skepticism.

I, and people like me, are the one's who need to be convinced.

So, keep trying. Keep looking. Trust me (see what I did there?), when I come over to your, and others, line of thinking, you'll know it. I'll be the one with the noose, torches, and pitchforks free for all to use.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 03:57 PM
a reply to: seagull

The only evidence is what we see in the video and what people who were there saw. We will never have hard evidence IMO.

I like David Chandlers work, you may want to check him out on YT...

here is an example..

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 04:00 PM
a reply to: HorusChrist

people in other countries know it was a cia false flag, really just in this country the media acts like 19 boxcutter guys did it

Let's take a look to see if you are correct.


BRITAIN, WARNING #1: Al-Qaeda is planning to use aircraft in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs"

the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use "commercial aircraft" in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs." [Sunday Times, 6/9/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #3: An Al-Qaeda attack will involve multiple hijackings

Early August 2001 ©: Britain gives the US another warning about an al-Qaeda attack. The previous British warning (see July 16, 2001) was vague as to method, but this warning specifies multiple airplane hijackings. This warning is included in Bush's briefing on August 6. [Sunday Herald, 5/19/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #2: Three al-Qaeda agents are part of a plot "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines"

August 29, 2001: Three men from either Pakistan or Afghanistan living in the Cayman Islands are briefly arrested in June 2001 for discussing hijacking attacks in New York City (see June 4, 2001). On this day, a Cayman Islands radio station receives an unsigned letter claiming these same three men are agents of bin Laden. The anonymous author warns that they "are organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines." The letter is forwarded to a Cayman government official but no action is taken until after 9/11 and it isn't known when the US is informed. Many criminals and/or businesses use the Cayman Islands as a safe, no tax, no questions asked haven to keep their money. The author of the letter meets with the FBI shortly after 9/11, and claims his information was a "premonition of sorts." The three men are later arrested. Its unclear what has happened to them since their arrest. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, MSNBC, 9/23/01] FTW

EGYPT, WARNING #1: An undercover agent learns 20 al-Qaeda agents are in the US, four have received flight training

Late July 2001 (D): CBS later has a brief mention in a long story on another topic: "Just days after Atta return[s] to the US from Spain, Egyptian intelligence in Cairo says it received a report from one of its operatives in Afghanistan that 20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas. To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn't sound terribly alarming, but they [pass] on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. The request never [comes]." [CBS, 10/9/02] This appears to be one of several accurate Egyptian warnings based on informants (see June 13, 2001 and August 30, 2001). Could Egypt have known the names of some or all of the hijackers? Given FBI agent Ken Williams' memo about flight schools a short time before (see July 10, 2001), shouldn't the US have investigated this closely instead of completely ignoring it?

GERMANY: Terrorists will use airplanes as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols"

June 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA, Britain's MI6, and Israel's Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols, which stand out." A later article quotes unnamed German intelligence sources who state the information was coming from Echelon surveillance technology, and that British intelligence had access to the same warnings. However, there were other informational sources, including specific information and hints given to, but not reported by, Western and Near Eastern news media six months before 9/11. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01, Fox News, 5/17/02] FTW

ITALY: Muslims warn of an attack on the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons

September 7, 2001: Father Jean-Marie Benjamin is told at a wedding in Todi, Italy of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He isn't told time or place specifics. He immediately passes what he knows to a judge and several politicians. He states: "Although I am friendly with many Muslims, I wondered why they were telling me, specifically. I felt it my duty to inform the Italian government." Benjamin has been called "one of the West's most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world." Two days after 9/11, he meets with the Italian Foreign Minister on this topic. He says he learned the attack on Britain failed at the last minute. [Zenit, 9/16/01] He has not revealed who told him this information, but could it have been a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan (see August 12, 2000 and January 24, 2001), which appears to have helped with the 9/11 attacks?

JORDAN: A major attack using aircraft is planned inside the US

Late summer 2001: Jordanian intelligence (the GID) makes a communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah's men relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To make doubly sure the message gets through it is passed through an Arab intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message states that a major attack, code named The Big Wedding, is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. "When it became clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush Administration officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any such warnings before September 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away from their earlier confirmations." Christian Science Monitor calls the story "confidently authenticated" even though Jordan has backed away from it. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02] FTW

RUSSIA: Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"

August 2001 (D): Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened." Interestingly, the article claims that at least two of the terrorists were Muslim radicals from Uzbekistan. [Izvestia, 9/12/01, (the story currently on the Izvestia web site has been edited to delete a key paragraph, the link is to a translation of the original article from From the Wilderness)] FTW

AFGHANISTAN: Al-Qaeda is planning an imminent "huge attack" inside the US that will kill thousands

ARGENTINA: A major terrorist attack is planned against either the US, Argentina, or France

Late July 2001: Argentina's Jewish community receives warnings of a major terrorist attack against either the United States, Argentina or France from "a foreign intelligence source." The warning was then relayed to the Argentine security authorities.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 04:01 PM
a reply to: wildb

If it's out there to be found, someone will find it.

Humans with a cause can be stubborn.

Nothing wrong with looking, and I, personally, have no problem with people looking. Hell, I've been known to spend an evening or five, looking at things 911 related.

Just realize, it's not necessarily a cover up, or brainwashing, or anything at all could be just waiting to be convinced.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 05:26 PM
a reply to: seagull

I'm supposed to take his word? How is that different from taking the govt. word?

Seymour Hersh is very credible. Hersh has a history of exposing government corruption

The fact is, our government has a history of lying to us. I don't trust anything our government says any longer.

I also know parts of the OS of 911 are true. However I have seen scientific evidence that proves many parts of the OS of 911 is false.

I don't believe we will ever have all the facts concerning all the 911 events at lease not in my life time. Perhaps in a few decades they might, as more science, & technologies are being invented and new testing and perhaps a new investigation outside our government control, that may get to the truth.

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 05:31 PM
a reply to: skyeagle409

You have no sources to your News article.

So there is no creditably in what you posted. Nice try though.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 07:29 PM
a reply to: Informer1958

And you have the evidence that it is not a CIA False Flag?

You ask people to prove a negative.
Why don't you prove unicorns don't exist.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 07:33 PM
a reply to: Informer1958

The fact is, our government has a history of lying to us. I don't trust anything our government says any longer.

You misread the facts.
Just like the government does.
They believe all that they say and do.
The problem is the use the wrong data.
So it's not lying it's just wrong.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:49 PM
a reply to: Informer1958

So there is no creditably in what you posted. Nice try though.

The reason why no sources was provided was because I ran out of space. In other words, there was no more room to add sources, so I am adding them here.


Bush Warned of Hijackings Before 9-11

Ignored Warning Signs

The revelation came as legislators demanded an explanation after an FBI memo alluding to ignored warning signs about Sept. 11 emerged. Two months before the hijackings, FBI agents in Phoenix reported their suspicions about Arab students at a Phoenix flight school, and directly referred to the possibility of a connection to bin Laden.

September 11 intelligence before the attacks

In December 1998, the CIA's Counterterrorist Center reported to President Bill Clinton that al-Qaeda was preparing for attacks in the U.S. that might include hijacking aircraft.

Another warning came from Ahmad Shah Massoud, leader of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, in April 2001, in a speech before the European Parliament in Brussels, Belgium where he asked for humanitarian aid to the people of Afghanistan. Massoud told the parliament that his intelligence agents had gained limited knowledge about a large-scale terrorist attack on U.S. soil being imminent. Massoud was assassinated by al-Qaeda two days before the 9/11 attacks on September 9,

Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice

J. Cofer Black, CIA's couterterrorism chief and George Tenet, CIA's director, met with Condoleezza Rice, the National Security Advisor, to inform her about communications intercepts and other top-secret intelligence showing the increasing likelihood that al-Qaeda would soon attack the United States. Rice listened but was unconvinced, having other priorities on which to focus. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld questioned the information suggesting it was a deception meant to gauge the U.S. response.

Transcript of Rice's 9/11 commission statement

On August 6, 2001, the President's Daily Briefing, entitled Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US warned that bin Laden was planning to exploit his operatives' access to the U.S. to mount a terrorist strike: FBI information... indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country, consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attack.[6] Rice responded to the claims about the briefing in a statement before the 9/11 Commission stating the brief was "not prompted by any specific threat information" and "did not raise the possibility that terrorists might use airplanes as missiles."

They Tried to Warn Us: Foreign Intelligence Warnings Before 9/11

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 11:08 PM
a reply to: Informer1958

Seymour Hersh is very credible. Hersh has a history of exposing government corruption

Now, for the rest of the story.

The many problems with Seymour Hersh's Osama bin Laden conspiracy theory

Hersh's story is amazing to read, alleging a vast American-Pakistani conspiracy to stage the raid and even to fake high-level diplomatic incidents as a sort of cover. But his allegations are largely supported only by two sources, neither of whom has direct knowledge of what happened, both of whom are retired, and one of whom is anonymous. The story is riven with internal contradictions and inconsistencies.

The truth, Hersh says, is that Pakistani intelligence services captured bin Laden in 2006 and kept him locked up with support from Saudi Arabia, using him as leverage against al-Qaeda. In 2010, Pakistan agreed to sell bin Laden to the US for increased military aid and a "freer hand in Afghanistan." Rather than kill him or hand him over discreetly, Hersh says the Pakistanis insisted on staging an elaborate American "raid" with Pakistani support.

According to Hersh's story, Navy SEALs met no resistance at Abbottabad and were escorted by a Pakistani intelligence officer to bin Laden's bedroom, where they killed him. Bin Laden's body was "torn apart with rifle fire" and pieces of the corpse "tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains" by Navy SEALs during the flight home (no reason is given for this action). There was no burial at sea because "there wouldn’t have been much left of bin Laden to put into the sea in any case."

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posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 11:30 PM
a reply to: Informer1958

From your link.

Other mainstream journalists agree that the US government’s story of Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 is a big lie.

Now, let's take a look here.

Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11

Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.

The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden, dressed in yellow and white robes and videotaped against a plain brown background.

In the 18-minute message, parts of which were played on Qatar-based Al-Jazeera just four days before the American presidential election, bin Laden accused U.S. President George W. Bush of negligence on the day 19 suicide hijackers took over four American passenger jets.

He also threatened new attacks if the policies of the U.S. government do not change.

According to translators, bin Laden told American voters: "Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential candidate John] Kerry or Bush or al-Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands.


German Data Led U.S. to Search For More Suicide Hijacker Teams

HAMBURG, Germany, Sept. 28— In the hours following the Sept. 11 terror attacks, German intelligence agents intercepted a phone conversation between jubilant followers of Osama bin Laden that led the F.B.I. to search frantically for two more teams of suicide hijackers, according to officials in both countries.

The Germans overheard the terrorists refer to ''the 30 people traveling for the operation.'' The Federal Bureau of Investigation already knew that 19 suspected hijackers had died on four planes, and started scouring flight manifests and any other clues for 11 more people still at large, who might have been part of the plot.

Statements of motives prior to September 11, 2001

Starting in 1996, Osama bin Laden stated in public proclamations (fatwas) and in interviews with journalists his common list of grievances which he cited as the reason for his declaration of war against the United States.

In 1998, bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri (a leader of Egyptian Islamic Jihad) co-signed a fatwa (binding religious edict) in the name of the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, declaring:

"[t]he ruling to kill the Americans and their allies civilians and military – is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem) and the holy mosque (in Makka) from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah".

n an interview with journalist Rahimullah Yusufzai published in TIME Magazine, January 11, 1999, Osama bin Laden is quoted as saying:

"The International Islamic Front for Jihad against the US and Israel has issued a crystal-clear fatwa calling on the Islamic nation to carry on jihad aimed at liberating holy sites. The nation of Muhammad has responded to this appeal. If the instigation for jihad against the Jews and the Americans in order to liberate Al-Aksa Mosque and the Holy Ka'aba Islamic shrines in the Middle East is considered a crime, then let history be a witness that I am a criminal."

Planning the 9/11 attacks

According to interviews by Al-Jazeera[40] as well as United States interrogations of al-Qaeda members Ramzi bin al-Shibh and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (captured in 2002 and 2003 respectively), Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the instigator and prime organizer of the attacks. Bin al-Shibh may have been picked as a hijacker but he failed to get into the United States.

Khalid Mohammed had provided funding to his nephew Ramzi Yousef[43][44] for the World Trade Center bombing in 1993. In addition, he collaborated on Oplan Bojinka which called for ten or more airliners to be bombed in mid-air or hijacked for use as missiles.[45] Planning for Oplan Bojinka began in 1994, and was funded in part by Osama bin Laden, but was thwarted by an accidental fire in 1995.[

In mid-1996,[citation needed] Khalid Mohammed presented a new plan to the leadership of al-Qaeda[49] that called for several airplanes on both east and west coasts[50] to be hijacked and flown into targets.

Suicide-pilot plan uncovered six years ago in Philippines

A plan to use suicide pilots against US targets was uncovered as early as six years ago during the investigation that led to the arrest of the alleged mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, a Philippine police official said yesterday.

Chief Superintendent Avelino Razon also said it was "too much coincidence" that Tuesday's attacks using commercial jets as flying bombs was close to the anniversary of the Sept. 5, 1996, conviction of Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah for a plot to bomb US airliners in 1995.

Once again, the world warned of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda and their terrorist plot against the United States, which commenced on 9/11/2001.
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posted on Nov, 10 2015 @ 12:17 AM
a reply to: Informer1958

And you have the evidence that it is not a CIA False Flag?

We can take a look here.

Bojinka plot

Phase III: CIA plane crash plot

Abdul Hakim Murad's confession detailed Phase III in his interrogation by the Manila police after his capture.

Phase three would have involved Murad either renting, buying, or hijacking a small airplane, preferably a Cessna. The airplane would be filled with explosives. He would then crash it into the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in the Langley area in Fairfax County, Virginia. Murad had been trained as a pilot in North Carolina, and was slated to be a suicide pilot.

There were alternate plans to hijack a 12th commercial airliner and use that instead of the small aircraft, probably due to the Manila cell's growing frustration with explosives. Testing explosives in a house or apartment is dangerous, and it can easily give away a terrorist plot. Khalid Sheik Mohammed probably made the alternate plan.

A report from the Philippines to the United States on January 20, 1995 stated, "What the subject has in his mind is that he will board any American commercial aircraft pretending to be an ordinary passenger. Then he will hijack said aircraft, control its cockpit and dive it at the CIA headquarters."

In other words, terrorist had targeted the CIA as well.

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