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As Expected, Boeing & Lockheed Protest LRS-B Contract Awaard

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posted on Nov, 19 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: Bfirez

Admit that and it guarantees an overturn on protest.




posted on Nov, 19 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Yeah, well looks like the bomber drama has just gotten started then.



posted on Nov, 19 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Bfirez

They will be crucified if this one is overturned. Congress already wants heads over procurement.



posted on Nov, 19 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Yum. F-35, Ford class, KC-46, etc.

Congress thirsts for blood.

And this is why the Blue Beanies (USAF) took so long to try to nail down the award so when the protest came, it'd stand up.



posted on Nov, 19 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: anzha

There's a good chance that if this is overturned the services will lose procurement altogether, and it will go to a new office under the SecDef.



posted on Nov, 19 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Would that be a bad thing in the end?



posted on Nov, 19 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: Bfirez

Yes and no. Yes in that right now they can sort of choose their own requirements, and having to go through an office there is going to be a requirement to justify every screw.

No I that they'll have to justify every screw, and we MIGHT get a more balanced Force.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

I posted a thread about it, but figured I'd mention it here. They posted an opening on USAJobs for the DoC (Director of Contracting) at the RCO, wonder if that means something about the protest? Granted it could be just a SES job move, but the timing during the protest of the LRS-B and the recent 'leaks' about some of the financials in that one article has me thinking there is some serious drama coming down on this acquisition...

Any updates on the protest status? I'm sure LM/B is preparing a hefty list of grievances and taking their sweet time to get something submitted...



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: anzha

There's a good chance that if this is overturned the services will lose procurement altogether, and it will go to a new office under the SecDef.


If that happens, do you think they will still have DCMA doing all the admin, or do you think they're gonna bring in a bunch of GS-13s and 14s to do GS-09 work up there in the DC metro area?



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: SonOfThor

We won't hear anything until the GAO decides.

If they lose procurement they'll do a mix of both. DCMA will have the final say in matters, but they'll bring some people in to oversee the day to day stuff and do the grunt work.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

When do you think we will hear from them? Also, what are your odds on the pick getting overturned?



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 11:37 PM
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a reply to: Bfirez

They'll probably run it all the way to the 100 day limit, or close to it. There's a chance of it being overturned. Not a great one, but definitely a chance, especially if they're right about how they handled the pricing.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

speaking of the f-117 tag along....

thats an interesting shape in your patch/background. Im pretty sure that there was a picture taken of a crashed prototype in the 80's on a mesa. the AFOSI got involved with the man who took the picture, and his friends who also had a sighting and took a Polaroid picture of something that looks and awful like the image in your background.

the picture of the crash on the mesa was pretty well scrubbed but i have seen it and for a aircraft for the 80's it looked really advanced and from what i am remembering still looks really advanced. the scale was hard to tell but it looked like a single seater, maybe even optionally so?



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 06:37 AM
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Very lost of time this contest, "hey look at the news guy's its a war time" a fast procurement is better for USAF , Boeing have job with KC-46, and Lokcheed have the discussing F-35 so let Northrop have the bomber ! Why d'ont building a 20 fleet of LRS-B in the black with the black budget , and nobody can contest , after that put the bomber in the white and produce more of LRS-B , for my opinion an excess of democracy in procurement is not so good. I hope there is something in the black because soon with the war in Sirya we need it.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 06:39 AM
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Do you think there is a risk of LRS-B cancelled with the contest , if the procurement restart ?



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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Boeing has doubled down on the LRS-B protest.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: anzha

The whole thing is convoluted as hell. I've followed procurement for years and even I'm doing Confused Dog on this one.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

It is very odd.

The USAF did a lot more work because they knew there was going to be a protest based on reading. WAAAAY more.

And we'll see how this plays out.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: anzha

If you haven't read the gory details, don't. Save yourself the headache. If you have, aspirin is in the medicine cabinet.



posted on Dec, 19 2015 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: anzha
Boeing has doubled down on the LRS-B protest.


I can't believe they didn't both historical costs and future costs, and the reviewed them all. I have run several bids in Defence procurement and my source selection criteria uses both agreed weightings and alternative weightings to give a balanced position.

Also, why would they not tell the competition up front, we wil be using historical cost data? However, I do see the flaw that you cannot undo history so it does seem an unfair criteria which is why they should also have used predictive tools and then weighted that.



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