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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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This is part of speech that was given by Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor Orban, a few days ago.

dailynewshungary.com...

and more of this speech is discussed here:

www.prisonplanet.com...

He suggests in article above "that billionaire investor George Soros is directing activists trying to undermine European Nations by supporting the migrant influx".

I must confess I didn't know who George Soros was to had to google him and came across this article:

www.naturalnews.com...#

in which it headlines "George Soros letter reveals globalist plan to destroy the First World by eliminating national borders with global migrant blitzkreig invasions"

Apparently he is an Hungarian who now lives in US and is also causing problems for the US. I am sure there will be many on ATS from that area of the world who will probably know more about him.

Maybe all the conspiracy theories about the NWO are coming to fruition. I've said all along I find it very odd that these migrants suddenly started coming even though there has been war raging in Syria and other countries for a few years now. It was almost like a shot had been fired and someone shouted "Go". I have also commented many times how I find it extremely odd that none of the EU Countries seem to be doing anything to stop the flow or at least make it more organised. I really do think some of these leaders are being paid off, Merkel being one at the top.

I know the Hungarian Prime Minister is right wing and not very liked in a lot of circles but maybe he is the only one who is seeing the truth and trying to stop it. He certainly seems the only leader who is concerned enough about his own citizens to do something about it.

Rather interestingly as well I saw this article dailynewshungary.com... which says that 80% of the migrants don't have any formal qualifications. Apparently, Germany wanted to welcome these immigrants to help prop up the economy and workforce in Germany because of an ageing society. If 80% are unqualified, and don't speak German then I don't think they are going to be helping Germany much in that respect.

I know in the UK whenever immigration is mentioned we are always told it is a good thing for the UK because we need doctors, nurses etc. Obviously, we do need qualified immigrants here but we certainly don't need any more immigrants who have nothing to offer the Country because otherwise they will just put more strain on our already buckling welfare system.




posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

I share that sentiment - this whole "crisis" is a red flag to me ALSO because of the "migrant crisis" they were hyping up here in the states last year, with tons of people coming from central/latin America all at once - but in Europe it seems to be on a much larger scale. It's as if "they" tested the scenario on a smaller scale at the US/Mexican border first.

And for what reason, that's the biggest thing I'm interested in. To cause people to have more fear of terrorism? To cloak a FF attack and blame it on the migrants? cui bono?



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

Given the fact that you need an IQ of 23 to catch the drift, I don't believe Viktator O has realized that himself. He must've had at least one good advisor, maybe a German Shepard called Lessie.




He certainly seems the only leader who is concerned enough about his own citizens to do something about it.



Like fighting the War on Press Freedom, just to save his sheeple from bad news.
Finally somebody did something, Hooray!

2011: Press Freedom a Loser in Viktor Orbán's Winner-Take-All Hungary

2015: Journalists covering refugee crisis censored, attacked by Hungarian authorities




posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 07:47 AM
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Living in Hungary for a few years now, I cannot agree to the OP's assessment.
Mr. Orban's arguments sound positively paranoid, which is all right in a conspiracy board as speculation, but it is downright embarrassing if it comes from a head of a EU state officially stated as truth.
We can't be sure how sick he is mentally though, since he gradually turned Hungary to an extreme rightist dictatorship and ruined its economy to profit his narrow circle of billionaires. The pattern is similar than what started under the Holocaust and in fact the country is teetering dangerously close to returning to that path, while adopting some of the worst practices of Communist Dictator Kadar, like the attacks of the free press and all NGO's, the surveillance network etc.

As a result of that, about one tenth of the country - the brightest young people and professionals mostly - left the country to work and live in the West.

Hungary is now geopolitically aligned with Vladimir Putin, who extracted a sudden loan obligation to Russia for a new block on the country's atomic power plant - even the financial details are secret for thirty years. One of Orban's recent PR advisers is recently is a certain evil mind called Arthur Finkelstein. Orban is listed at the end of the Wiki article as a client.

Finkelstein

So if you want a mix of North Korea and Rush Limbaugh, go support Mr. Orban. Never mind that his own people are fleeing the mafia rule he established in his private kingdom, he still has his "solutions" for the refugee crisis (which is not a simple problem).
edit on 11/6/2015 by Kokatsi because: missing Wiki link, spelling



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 09:06 AM
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I still can't believe this mass invasi. .. this mass migration happened in our world, today.

The most random event I've seen after 9/11, since my birth.

Geary would never have agreed to let these people in en mass as independent choice.

I've been in the realm of conspiracy and have seen all sorts of stuff that don't sit right, change how we live as people, and how we are governed by the controllers.

That being said, this is deffinately a chess move.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 09:06 AM
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I still can't believe this mass invasi. .. this mass migration happened in our world, today.

The most random event I've seen after 9/11, since my birth.

Germany would never have agreed to let these people in en mass as independent choice.

I've been in the realm of conspiracy and have seen all sorts of stuff that don't sit right, change how we live as people, and how we are governed by the controllers.

That being said, this is deffinately a chess move.
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

In order to "Globalize" we have to get rid of those nasty traditions and national identities so we can all be destabilized, balkanized sh1tholes.
www.georgesoros.com...


Soros's ‘European values’ mean losing your national identity

www.rt.com...



To be part of the European Union means you have to shed your national identity and be part of everybody. It is no longer acceptable to be yourself. This agenda serves the 1 percent and Washington, Paul Craig Roberts, an American economist, told RT in an interview.

Billionaire financier and philanthropist George Soros has attracted attention once again, this time saying the European Union should take "at least a million" refugees every year to ease the mass exodus of desperate people from the Middle East and Africa.

Soros wants the EU to dig deep and pay an annual amount of "at least €5,000 per refugee, or €20 billion." And this coming at a time of severe austerity measures pushed onto the European people, not to mention the bailout of entire countries, like Greece.

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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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The truth is Soros, a self-made billionaire of Hungarian Jewish ancestry, has been financing and helping many foundations all across Eastern Europe for decades, including those that backed the young Orban and his closest friends and colleagues of the ruling Fidesz party, who later turned bitterly against all that openness and transparency.
Soros is transparent, he does not hide that he helps people whose values are those that he shares, including openness, democracy, freedom of the press, freedom to ask questions or have doubts about anything. There is nothing negative you could say about his support of hat he calls "Open Society," unless you are against democracy and openness.
I personally never used any financial support or scholarship established by Mr. Soros, so I am not speaking as an interested party.
The current flood of people from the wars of the Middle East and Africa is a difficult question but to simply say that Soros is sending them is tantamount to paranoia.
What is more, this is reinforcing the existing stereotypes in Eastern Europe against all people with Jewish ancestry and all the people who are successful in the Western world. In former decades you could read "cosmopolites" in the far right papers of Hungary, and you knew that the authors meant people of Jewish origin. (Hungary is ethnically very mixed, with significant Slavic, Roma and German minorities).

Hungary has never institutionally processed the Holocaust and some people like Orban celebrate the reigniting of ancient primitive tribal hatred, or condone their actions. Statues have been raised in the capital to celebrate famous anti-Semite ideologues from the 1930-s as "great Hungarians."

As a person with Hungarian ancestry, I am actually proud of Mr. Soros and read several of his books in English.
Alchemy of Finance



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: Kokatsi

Yeah, he is a piece of work alright:




KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and -- and anticipate events and when -- when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a -- a very personal experience of evil.

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's -- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not -- not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -- you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.




posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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Clearly you have no experience of living in a dictatorship - especially as a child.
I grew up in the far milder dictatorship of Kadar and though my family was haunted by the evil scepter of political oppression (with one of my grandfathers executed in a bogus political case, and everyone exiled to a remote village etc.), I didn't know much about it until I was way past ten. Until a bit later, I believed to some extent that Russians were the greatest friends of Hungary despite being in the victims' camps together with my family. The same happened with many people of Jewish ancestry during the 30's and 40's when the official dogma was that Jews are worse than others and it's all right for them to lose all their property. It is courageous of Soros to confess that he had these experiences and associations when he was a child.

See, in a dictatorship, you don't go out loudly proclaiming your truth to the small children. Plus if it is a true dictatorship, someone from the cleaning lady down to your grandmother and so on may be tempted to take part or support something in order to survive. Life is never simple in those times.

But the focus is not on Mr. Soros - he is an interesting character and no doubt he has his faults or shortcomings as a human being (though I look at him as a transparent and honest public figure).

The real issue is that one half of Orban's country is below the poverty level, while his friends are close to surpassing Soros in terms of wealth but unlike him, they got most of their stuff via corruption and open buddy system.
The largest financial failure of Hungarian history since the inflation of 1946 was the fall of the brokerage firm Quaestor earlier this year, which took the savings of many Hungarians, though apparently the government knew about the impending fall because a few days before all hell broke loose, Mr. Orban instructed his ministries to disinvest in it.

The broker is still at large.

No doubt Mr. Finkelstein (of Watergate fame) advised Mr. Orban to distract attention with the red herring of the Syrian refugees (called settlers in government propaganda).
The odd fact is that when Orban was bringing it up early this year, the refugee or migrant question was not significant but the same rhetoric was followed by American right-wing media (such as Fox News).

For the benefit of those that are still non-partisan and non-paranoid: what would you say to a young Syrian child whose brother or uncle enlisted in the government forces - or in some of the violent anti-government groups - but his or her mother and father decided it was best to leave?
Jews in Hungary were facing a similar dilemma in the 1940's and it's interesting how the worst Nazi henchmen and torturers soon turned coats and became servants of the then novel Soviet system.

Orban is making way for a far worse righter force, Jobbik - a bona fide Nazi party, heavily supported by Putin.
At the same time, since it is a dictatorship already, I won't go out to judge children whose relatives may be involved in collaborating. I survived decades here and know that it is next to impossible to remain completely and totally clean of all blemish - and that is one of the greatest sins of all totalitarian regimes.

Which Mr. Orban is building now, with the help of Finkelstein and others.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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Let me have my Hungarian input on this topic. I've left almost 9 years ago, but I still follow the events on a daily basis. I'm 38, I clearly remember Viktor Orban from 1989 as a young impulsive rebellist guy against the communist regime. 1989 the year when the Iron Curtain fell down and hungarians helped East-German people to flee through the border to Austria (Paneuropean-picnic). I remember even better the year 1998, the first time he's became the Prime Minister. It was totally disappointing to see how far he has drifted from that good start.

Around that time the end of th 90's I've finally learned a bit about Orban, most importantly (regarding the OP) that he went to Oxford University with a financial support from a foundation by Soros György aka George Soros. That time was still communism, he was member of the communist youths organization "K I SZ" (one must have joined to get any close to polity) he was very promising, with his charismatic appearance and suggestive speaking skills he (and very few others) had seemed that once he will be a great leader. Unfortunately he has lost sanity after he failed the 2002 and went even more insane after the 2006 election. He is the major cause of ditches in the Hungarian society. The division is so enormous that it's impossible to effectively discuss and resolve any kind of national issue. No compromises are possible one is either a "kommunista" or a "náci" (I think I don't need to explain) if doesn't agree with the other. Any sane talk is close to impossible on this level of hatred. The government is a bunch of criminal referring themselves as "christian-conservative"... not like they are any kind of those.

Just a few scandalous example from the last 5 years.

In 2010 after Viktor Orban with his party Fidesz won by 2/3 of majority, they rewrote the constitution without any kind of consensus with either people nor any other party.

The hospitals are crumbling, nurses earning a degrading cca. 300 euro/month, a beginner doctor around 500/month. Thousands and thousand are moving abroad, there are tens of thousands unfilled positions in the sector, those still there are overloaded, burnt-out, and usually the older generation who can't or doesn't want restart. Hospitals are in a huge financial debt, some can't afford to buy medicine so the relatives purchasing medicine, hygiene stuff like soap and toilett paper. Have a look on this facebook photo album with hundreds of pictures from Hungarian hospitals... you will not believe unless you're from a 3rd world or post communist country. ^^
Hungarian Hospital Photo Album

The education is pretty much the same like hospitals. Educational worker equals to healthcare worker. Schools are in a huge financial debt, parents putting money together for chalk, hygenic products, and the buildings are in quite the same shape.

According to recent researches there are 0.5 million people living in serious indigence and cca. 1.3 million family is under the powery level. The count of children thretened by hunger is 20%, so every 5th children who's not getting enough food on daily basis.

Edit: I totally forget about the 10 billion euro worth of pension funds they said they will "protect it" and funnelled it into the common budget. We used say in a funny way: "he communised it away", or "he took it over for communist preservation".

These are let's say the 3+1 major issues, the tip of the iceberg. Frankly, I could go on till midnight.

And now, here is where it gets crazy.... Viktor Orbán....

... he origins from a small village of max.1500 people called "Felcsút". He has his friend from childhood Lőrinc Mészáros a once totally average freelancer gas man in 2010 becomes the mayor of the village. With this guy's and some other (p)oligarch friend's company they have built a football stadium and training center with the capacity of 3000. Not like the village is not in the middle of nowhere, don't you dare to think... BUT YES there is big effing nothing there except the soccer b.s. Ohh, and that old friend Lőrinc Mészáros today he is one of the richest person in the country. In 5 years from nothing to top 10. Wow. And I wish I could have time to make subtitle for those epic news interviews... you would LOYA.
If you want to have a bonus laugh check when was last time when Hungary qualified? Just because during the last 5 years they spent approximately 2 billion euros.

And this is frankly just the rough surface, it's so smooth on effectiveness, so well operated, meanwhile shamelessly done... it's disgusting. It is a real mafia. They don't even follow their own laws... than they get revealed they reset the laws according to reality. You would be wondering if you could understand, seriously.

PublicOpinion and Kokatsi are absolutely right.

So long story short, whatever he says it's always a second thinking behind. He is only for his own benefit, whatever serves him is fine. I think this time Putin is telling him what to say and when. Orban himself over the last decade often used to say (and also seen in written sources) for his foreing colleagues specially during campaigns: "pay no attention to what I say to get elected", "ignore what I say", "don't listen to my words, rather watch my actions", etc... sick in his head.
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: anxiouswens

In order to "Globalize" we have to get rid of those nasty traditions and national identities so we can all be destabilized, balkanized sh1tholes.
www.georgesoros.com...


Soros's ‘European values’ mean losing your national identity

www.rt.com...



To be part of the European Union means you have to shed your national identity and be part of everybody. It is no longer acceptable to be yourself. This agenda serves the 1 percent and Washington, Paul Craig Roberts, an American economist, told RT in an interview.

Billionaire financier and philanthropist George Soros has attracted attention once again, this time saying the European Union should take "at least a million" refugees every year to ease the mass exodus of desperate people from the Middle East and Africa.

Soros wants the EU to dig deep and pay an annual amount of "at least €5,000 per refugee, or €20 billion." And this coming at a time of severe austerity measures pushed onto the European people, not to mention the bailout of entire countries, like Greece.


Its called Cultural Marxism. I found it strange recently that wikipedia has been altered and cultural marxism has been relegated to that of a conspiracy theory footnote under the Frankfurt School entry.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: awatara
Let me have my Hungarian input on this topic. I've left almost 9 years ago, but I still follow the events on a daily basis. I'm 38, I clearly remember Viktor Orban from 1989 as a young impulsive rebellist guy against the communist regime. 1989 the year when the Iron Curtain fell down and hungarians helped East-German people to flee through the border to Austria (Paneuropean-picnic). I remember even better the year 1998, the first time he's became the Prime Minister. It was totally disappointing to see how far he has drifted from that good start.

Around that time the end of th 90's I've finally learned a bit about Orban, most importantly (regarding the OP) that he went to Oxford University with a financial support from a foundation by Soros György aka George Soros. That time was still communism, he was member of the communist youths organization "K I SZ" (one must have joined to get any close to polity) he was very promising, with his charismatic appearance and suggestive speaking skills he (and very few others) had seemed that once he will be a great leader. Unfortunately he has lost sanity after he failed the 2002 and went even more insane after the 2006 election. He is the major cause of ditches in the Hungarian society. The division is so enormous that it's impossible to effectively discuss and resolve any kind of national issue. No compromises are possible one is either a "kommunista" or a "náci" (I think I don't need to explain) if doesn't agree with the other. Any sane talk is close to impossible on this level of hatred. The government is a bunch of criminal referring themselves as "christian-conservative"... not like they are any kind of those.

Just a few scandalous example from the last 5 years.

In 2010 after Viktor Orban with his party Fidesz won by 2/3 of majority, they rewrote the constitution without any kind of consensus with either people nor any other party.

The hospitals are crumbling, nurses earning a degrading cca. 300 euro/month, a beginner doctor around 500/month. Thousands and thousand are moving abroad, there are tens of thousands unfilled positions in the sector, those still there are overloaded, burnt-out, and usually the older generation who can't or doesn't want restart. Hospitals are in a huge financial debt, some can't afford to buy medicine so the relatives purchasing medicine, hygiene stuff like soap and toilett paper. Have a look on this facebook photo album with hundreds of pictures from Hungarian hospitals... you will not believe unless you're from a 3rd world or post communist country. ^^
Hungarian Hospital Photo Album

The education is pretty much the same like hospitals. Educational worker equals to healthcare worker. Schools are in a huge financial debt, parents putting money together for chalk, hygenic products, and the buildings are in quite the same shape.

According to recent researches there are 0.5 million people living in serious indigence and cca. 1.3 million family is under the powery level. The count of children thretened by hunger is 20%, so every 5th children who's not getting enough food on daily basis.

Edit: I totally forget about the 10 billion euro worth of pension funds they said they will "protect it" and funnelled it into the common budget. We used say in a funny way: "he communised it away", or "he took it over for communist preservation".

These are let's say the 3+1 major issues, the tip of the iceberg. Frankly, I could go on till midnight.

And now, here is where it gets crazy.... Viktor Orbán....

... he origins from a small village of max.1500 people called "Felcsút". He has his friend from childhood Lőrinc Mészáros a once totally average freelancer gas man in 2010 becomes the mayor of the village. With this guy's and some other (p)oligarch friend's company they have built a football stadium and training center with the capacity of 3000. Not like the village is not in the middle of nowhere, don't you dare to think... BUT YES there is big effing nothing there except the soccer b.s. Ohh, and that old friend Lőrinc Mészáros today he is one of the richest person in the country. In 5 years from nothing to top 10. Wow. And I wish I could have time to make subtitle for those epic news interviews... you would LOYA.
If you want to have a bonus laugh check when was last time when Hungary qualified? Just because during the last 5 years they spent approximately 2 billion euros.

And this is frankly just the rough surface, it's so smooth on effectiveness, so well operated, meanwhile shamelessly done... it's disgusting. It is a real mafia. They don't even follow their own laws... than they get revealed they reset the laws according to reality. You would be wondering if you could understand, seriously.

PublicOpinion and Kokatsi are absolutely right.

So long story short, whatever he says it's always a second thinking behind. He is only for his own benefit, whatever serves him is fine. I think this time Putin is telling him what to say and when. Orban himself over the last decade often used to say (and also seen in written sources) for his foreing colleagues specially during campaigns: "pay no attention to what I say to get elected", "ignore what I say", "don't listen to my words, rather watch my actions", etc... sick in his head.


I agree with everything you write in your post and it is important that a few people would read this who don't know much about this small country. Many people think that Hungarians never agree on anything - well, here we go, I second every sentence you say.
Orban lost his sanity, as you point out, after he lost in 2002 by a narrow margin. I also thought earlier he was a very promising guy back in 1989 - at the time I was in America.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: NihilistSanta

I would not quote RT as a reliable source.
And I don't know which is a more destructive myth - being an Islamic fundamentalist in the Middle East or being a nationalist in Eastern Europe.
See, I don't have much in common with a great number of bald-headed iron-pumping anti-Roma and anti-Semite guys just because they happen to speak the same mother tongue as I do. Or not really, because their language has been heavily corrupted by TV. So who exactly is my nation?
Are we talking about people like my grandmother who was Hungarian and practiced Yoga in the 30's, helped a few Jews pass the Shoah and read books in several languages? If so, yes, I am very proud of my Hungarian ancestry.

Last time I was in the US, I was invited to a Hungarian gathering. I declined, because their web page looked like one from a white supremacist group in the Deep South.
However, the best chat I had at my daughter's school was with a Romanian mother of two, out of Transylvania (which has both ethnic groups). Now, nationalistic thinking would say we should be mortal enemies...



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: Kokatsi

I am confused perhaps I missed something. What did I say that has anything to do with white supremacist? Ah actually I see what you are saying. The RT link was from a quote from another poster. I was merely saying that cultural Marxism is what is being perpetrated in Europe with this migrant issue. Cultural Marxism has been relegated to being a "conspiracy theory" yet we can clearly see it in play here. Not to mention the altering of its page on Wikipedia and removing the entry and placing it under the Frankfurt school.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: Kokatsi
a reply to: awatara


Thank you both for your insightful contributions!





See, I don't have much in common with a great number of bald-headed iron-pumping anti-Roma and anti-Semite guys just because they happen to speak the same mother tongue as I do. Or not really, because their language has been heavily corrupted by TV.


That's something I could live with. My problems arise when I have to listen to the sorts of retarded gibberish I'm sadly able to comprehend, language_wise. The upside of language barriers on the other hand would be, that I don't get angry about all the BS and lies dumb people possibly spit.




posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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Think on this!
whitch countries are NOT leting them in?
They are more lightly to be the ones behind this all.

are They destabilizing the rest of
the world so they can take over.
or weeken us so they can win the race?



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: anxiouswens
This is part of speech that was given by Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor Orban, a few days ago.

dailynewshungary.com...

and more of this speech is discussed here:

www.prisonplanet.com...

He suggests in article above "that billionaire investor George Soros is directing activists trying to undermine European Nations by supporting the migrant influx".

I must confess I didn't know who George Soros was to had to google him and came across this article:

www.naturalnews.com...#

in which it headlines "George Soros letter reveals globalist plan to destroy the First World by eliminating national borders with global migrant blitzkreig invasions"

Apparently he is an Hungarian who now lives in US and is also causing problems for the US. I am sure there will be many on ATS from that area of the world who will probably know more about him.

Maybe all the conspiracy theories about the NWO are coming to fruition. I've said all along I find it very odd that these migrants suddenly started coming even though there has been war raging in Syria and other countries for a few years now. It was almost like a shot had been fired and someone shouted "Go". I have also commented many times how I find it extremely odd that none of the EU Countries seem to be doing anything to stop the flow or at least make it more organised. I really do think some of these leaders are being paid off, Merkel being one at the top.

I know the Hungarian Prime Minister is right wing and not very liked in a lot of circles but maybe he is the only one who is seeing the truth and trying to stop it. He certainly seems the only leader who is concerned enough about his own citizens to do something about it.

Rather interestingly as well I saw this article dailynewshungary.com... which says that 80% of the migrants don't have any formal qualifications. Apparently, Germany wanted to welcome these immigrants to help prop up the economy and workforce in Germany because of an ageing society. If 80% are unqualified, and don't speak German then I don't think they are going to be helping Germany much in that respect.

I know in the UK whenever immigration is mentioned we are always told it is a good thing for the UK because we need doctors, nurses etc. Obviously, we do need qualified immigrants here but we certainly don't need any more immigrants who have nothing to offer the Country because otherwise they will just put more strain on our already buckling welfare system.


1) Doesn't know who George Soros is. Leave that for what it says about the OP's general knowledge.

2) Doesn't understand why there is a sudden influx of migrants. It started last year. Hint: What happened last year? Ohh....ISIS.

Tell me OP, and everyone else that posts these type of threads on ATS daily. What is your solution to the migrant crisis? Tell me OP, if ISIS burned half your country to the ground and forced you to follow their Sharia law at machete-point what would you do? Where would you go? Maybe you're a tough guy and you'd say "I'd fight to take my country back!". Okay, and what about your wife, your kids, your parents? Would you leave them to the mercy of ISIS while you fought so bravely?

Nah, don't think about any of this. Just keep on believing that the misery of Syrian, Iraqis (and Afghans) is not as important as a slight strain on your beloved welfare system. Why, I think we should deploy European armies to Greece and ensure migrants are not let in. Deploy the navy to the Aegean and just blow the boats up before they reach Greece. Oh, but what about Turkey? Build a wall there? Yea, they are "our" muzzies right. Build a wall there and make all refugees flee to Lebanon. That's a muslim country that's not one of ours. Yea, that's the ticket.

Mr T once said "I pity da fool". He was talking about people who lap up right-wing propaganda and don't propose or support any long-lasting solutions. How is the Hungarian prime minister helping to stop the problem? He closed his borders, stuck his fingers in his ears and went "Na, na-na na naaaaah". Yea, that there helped stop hundreds of thousands of people flee a war-torn country. Pure genius. Make it someone else's problem. That's always the solution.

You, and all others like you, that whine and spread anti-migrant propaganda with no thought as to how the problem can be fixed, are a disgrace to the human race.
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 08:55 PM
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I still think that Zionists are behind the mass immigration into Europe and America that has been going on for decades.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 05:56 AM
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No doubt ISIS was one of the strongest factors in the migrant crisis. And other fundamentalist Islamic movements.
Turkish prime minister Erdogan put in his chips too. He was reelected, and Turkey is a much bigger country than Hungary, a strategic NATO ally. He was making bureaucratic measures this year making it impossible for millions of refugee families to make a living in Turkey. Why? Because Syrian and Iraqi Kurds were fighting the IS, and he was clearly unwilling to support them, so he lost the vote of a minor party in Turkey that had the majority of Kurdish voters in Turkey, and he was playing the nationalist card to win his margin back - against the Arabs.
Plus the mere passage of time - Syrian children could not go to schools in Turkey - there are no Arab schools - and so on.
Plus the Islamists are a big threat in Africa too - think about Boko Haram and the destruction of ancient Islamic monuments in Mali. Afghanistan is a different scenario.
All this contributed to a recent wave of influx, including the gradual destabilization of Europe by the Ukrainian and the Crimean situation - as it was escalating, Putin put his chips in supporting far right parties across the board. Financial and ideological support. So suddenly, Orban found himself in the same camp as Erdogan - and now he is pulling out his Soros card.




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