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Trans Woman Asks: 'You Really Want Me In The Same Bathroom As Your Husband?'

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posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:15 PM
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As trans here's my opinion. If someone is going into the female or male bathroom and aren't even trying to pass at all, then I must admit to placing their claims into question. I would never use the female restroom while still dressed as and looking masculine, unshaved, ect.

If I use the female restroom it's because I'm fully in girl mode, full dress, ect. I'm trying to be the real me I am inside. So yeah, is someone dressed as a guy with a full beard for example was to say, "I identify as a woman" and just go in. Then I can see having issues with that.

On the other hand someone who has clearly put work into it, tucks, shaves and everything, but well simply isn't that great at pulling it off for various reasons, be it masculine physical traits, ect goes into the women's bathroom because they identify as a woman, that is a different issue. Especially if they have had surgeries ect.

Is silly to go in while not even trying to look the part. If however, looking the part, or at least really trying, is equally silly to go into the male restroom. Especially with the surgeries.

As for men that goes into women's restrooms and commit crimes. They do that anyway without if trying to pretend a damn thing. This law effects this not one bit.




posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I'm from the UK, I'm just playing Devils Advocat here.

"Trans people" are few and far between and it's exactly the same in the US I assume. The whole thing in my opinion is a distraction. Meanwhile we have TTP and wars in the Middle east for the old silk road.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: Debunkology

Go bitch about the wider issues in the multitude of ATS threads that cover such topics then.
This thread is about trans issues and public toilets. If it is beneath your discussion then find another thread...simples.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Trans Woman Asks: 'You Really Want Me In The Same Bathroom As Your Husband?'


One trans woman in Chicago, Illinois, is making a bold, tongue-in-cheek statement in response to Houston, Texas, voters striking down proposed legislation this week that would extend nondiscrimination protections to the LGBT community, including enabling trans people to use bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity.

Kelly Lauren, a transgender woman who has performed as a drag entertainer for 37 years, shared the following photo on her Facebook account Wednesday with the caption "Houston, do you REALLY want me in the same restroom as your husband or boyfriend?"
Mathew Mills

Lauren decided to share the photo after Houston failed to pass Houston's Equal Rights Ordinance, also known as HERO, which would have prevented discrimination on the basis of race, age, military status, disability and 11 other categories.

Much of the anti-HERO ad campaign involved fear-mongering tactics that aimed to induce anxiety in voters about transgender people using the bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity.


So recently Houston struck down a bill that would extend rights to transgender people called the bathroom bill. The bill would allow transgender people to go to the bathroom that they identify with. Clearly this upset much of Houston, and a big smear campaign was ran against this bill. As a response, this transgender lady, Kelly Lauren, posted this picture of her in a men's bathroom asking women in Houston if they wanted her to share the bathroom with their husbands.

I've posted the picture below. The best part? There is a guy totally checking her out while he is peeing.



I don't get the big fuss. I've been all over small towns in Europe and peed right next to little old ladies doing the "stand and deliver" method in the tall urinals with foot grips for just that....I can't recall seeing gender specific bathrooms except in the larger towns.

Hell....I don't get it anyways....it isn't like I want to really watch anyone doing their business.
edit on 11/7/15 by Vasa Croe because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: openminded2011
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Maybe there needs to be a third bathroom, men, women and, transgender.


Remember reading about how awesome that worked in the past? When white folks didn't want black people to share the bathroom out of fear, they took that same idea. Oh, the "good ole' days"




posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

You get the lameness of the prudishness then?
...sheesh, and they call us prude in the UK haha, seems the US folk protest too much about having a piss next to a fellow human...regardless of gender.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

I note the single 'colored' toilet.
I guess non-whites got over the gender issues a lot quicker than whites in the US.

...I still have to pinch myself to remind me I'm not dreaming that it was only the 60's that the US stopped treating black people like #. My mother danced with black US soldiers stationed in the UK after WWII, she tells me they wished they could have stayed here because they were treated like humans.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

The irony is that, by the looks of it, it's a black and white photograph. Priceless.

edit on 7-11-2015 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Abysha

The irony is that, by the looks of it, it's a black and white photograph. Priceless.
Where is the irony exactly?
If the pic is from that time then it is more likely to be black and white than colour due to the accessible tech of the time.

How does that irony line relate to this thread about trans folk using gender assigned public toilets?



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Vasa Croe

You get the lameness of the prudishness then?
...sheesh, and they call us prude in the UK haha, seems the US folk protest too much about having a piss next to a fellow human...regardless of gender.

Of course we could always move in this direction, as so many have...



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Vasa Croe

You get the lameness of the prudishness then?
...sheesh, and they call us prude in the UK haha, seems the US folk protest too much about having a piss next to a fellow human...regardless of gender.

Of course we could always move in this direction, as so many have...
Probably be considered unconstitutional lol
...not rocket science is it, but as they say...only in the US.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Transgender is not a "Mental Illness" i don't know how you came up with that?



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Regarding the transgender woman's downward gaze in the photo...as my dear departed mother would say, "If you ain't never seen one before, you won't know what you're looking at anyway."



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Grambler

Transgender is not a "Mental Illness" i don't know how you came up with that?


Agree. It's as much a mental illness as feeling thirsty is. I have no problem using the bathroom in a stall next to a transgendered woman. I wouldn't want to use it next to a pervvy guy dressing like a woman to peep out my poop-face, but I think it's a fair point that pervvy dudes would do that anyway. (Who doesn't want to see my poop-face though?)

If, however, passing such a law resulted in pervvy guys using it as an opportunity -- I would hope that the problem would be addressed at that time.

I concede the better point is that people feel welcome to use the restroom they are comfortable with.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: Darth_Prime


Transgender is not a "Mental Illness" i don't know how you came up with that?


I am not the one making this claim. The OP is


originally posted by: Krazysh0t


Your sarcasm is noted and wrong. Things aren't so simple. First off, these people have a medical condition. It is called Gender Dysphoria. Non-transgendered people making transgendered people uncomfortable is the same as making someone with AIDS uncomfortable because they have AIDS. Oh wait, that was already a thing when AIDS was called the homosexual disease...


But he is agreeing with you, so no one called him out.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Metallicus
It looks like Joan Rivers.

I think it should have its own bathroom...problem solved.


Are you trying to be funny by using the pronoun "it"? Is it REALLY so hard to call her a "she"?


He is a man. Why would I call him a she?



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I concede the better point is that people feel welcome to use the restroom they are comfortable with.

I have a really good hunch that those who express really strong negativity on other people's gender and sexual identity issues are struggling with their own conflicts. Whole lotta projection going on in this thread. Whole lotta hatred being generated by a marginal issue.

My daughter worked in a female clothing retail store. She was so nonplussed by the whole trans/cross dressing/whatever motivates apparent men to dress in women's clothing thing, that she basically had her own 'clientele'. Other staff would direct the customers to her as she was empathetic, kind, and non-judgmental. Especially after reading how some people lose their nut on the topic, I'm very proud of my kid.
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posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck


I have a really good hunch that those who express really strong negativity on other people's gender and sexual identity issues are struggling with their own conflicts. Whole lotta projection going on in this thread. Whole lotta hatred being generated by a marginal issue.


Maybe some do have conflict. I want to make it clear that I have no hatred towards any trans people. I personally could care less if they use restrooms with me. In fact, I seriously think we should transition to unisex restrooms with more private stalls.

My issue is this. Many trans people (and supporters) say that making trans people use one type of bathroom makes them feel uncomfortable. Others are saying that allowing this would make them uncomfortable. Why are so many supporters so ready to discount those peoples feelings? Trans people are less than 1% of the population, but there feelings outweigh all others.

Not only that, but many on this thread have accused all who disagree with allowing trans to chose their restroom have been called basically bigots who are living in the past, or (like you have done) been told they must be struggling with issues. Is it possible for someone to disagree with you without being a bigot or struggling with internal conflict?

The OP of this thread even went so far as to claim that trans people need to use these facilities because they have an illness. This is exactly what the trans community is fighting against. Yet because the OP agrees with the trans side, not on person here defending the trans right to chose have mentioned it. This reeks of bias, and makes it seem as if these people are not interested in a logical argument, but are just cheering on their side no matter what.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 08:29 PM
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Denying your biology is not a mental disorder... right.

Then neither is denying your skin color, your ancestry, thinking you are a horse, or thinking you should be blind...

In other words, I disagree. Transgender is bordering on pathological mental illness. To be consumed with the belief that you are something other than what your biology definitively expresses is a delusion. No matter what you dress as, what body parts you chop off, what plastic surgery you have, and/or what hormones you take you are biologically the gender you were born as.

Whatever happened to the 'reality based' crowd?

And please don't reply with the intersex topic. Those population outliers are more rare than trans, but at least they have a tangible biological foundation for their confusion. That doesn't give them any special rights, though.



posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Trans Woman Asks: 'You Really Want Me In The Same Bathroom As Your Husband?'


One trans woman in Chicago, Illinois, is making a bold, tongue-in-cheek statement in response to Houston, Texas, voters striking down proposed legislation this week that would extend nondiscrimination protections to the LGBT community, including enabling trans people to use bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity.

Kelly Lauren, a transgender woman who has performed as a drag entertainer for 37 years, shared the following photo on her Facebook account Wednesday with the caption "Houston, do you REALLY want me in the same restroom as your husband or boyfriend?"
Mathew Mills

Lauren decided to share the photo after Houston failed to pass Houston's Equal Rights Ordinance, also known as HERO, which would have prevented discrimination on the basis of race, age, military status, disability and 11 other categories.

Much of the anti-HERO ad campaign involved fear-mongering tactics that aimed to induce anxiety in voters about transgender people using the bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity.


So recently Houston struck down a bill that would extend rights to transgender people called the bathroom bill. The bill would allow transgender people to go to the bathroom that they identify with. Clearly this upset much of Houston, and a big smear campaign was ran against this bill. As a response, this transgender lady, Kelly Lauren, posted this picture of her in a men's bathroom asking women in Houston if they wanted her to share the bathroom with their husbands.

I've posted the picture below. The best part? There is a guy totally checking her out while he is peeing.



I don't get the big fuss. I've been all over small towns in Europe and peed right next to little old ladies doing the "stand and deliver" method in the tall urinals with foot grips for just that....I can't recall seeing gender specific bathrooms except in the larger towns.

Hell....I don't get it anyways....it isn't like I want to really watch anyone doing their business.


you are all missing the point of the picture, it is 2 gay guys and one transgender guy watching and another guy taking a piss, so its basicaly 3-1. now the fact he is wearing a white T-shirt i'm guessing is suggesting he's...wait for it..a "virgin", which basicaly means he is straight.
god out of all the pages so far i cant believe no one has actualy understood how much work and effort goes into these production shoots.
here is the second pic from the cut.




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