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For those who continue to believe nobody knows why the pyramids were built

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posted on Dec, 25 2015 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
what do you mean- again with? Again with? how about for starters and you never get past it you just jump around it and suck up everything these morons were claiming back in the 1800s. "Symmetry" means, for example when you're cutting a hole with a copper hole saw that needs to be changed every so many number of cuts the next one had better be an exact replica or else the symmetry of the hole will not be the same all the way through. The examples we see in Giza and other places are consistently symmetrical. Where is the proof you can do this with bamboo technology? Or when you are cutting a specific angle that has to match perfectly with another angle and you have to repeat this over and over and over and over and over and over... I hope you are getting the picture. Unless your tools are made perfectly identical you will not get consistent tolerances and symmetries especially for example when the tools are flopping around using a stupid bow saw with inconsistent pressures and angles of cuts. These are the real issues here, not what some guy thought up back in the 1800s while looking for fame and fortune to be the first to solve the riddle. You guys spent too much time reading the lies than you did DOING the actual work or understanding what is involved. just the fact you don't know what I'm talking about when I mention these things proves yer all focusing on the wrong things.


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Where is the evidence that these ancient holes are all exactly the same diameter throughout?

The fact that you don't know what I'm talking about (even though I've asked you about it at least four times in this thread) proves yer focusing on the wrong things.

Harte


My friend wouldn't you want to know if there is or isn't a difference? You are accusing me of exactly the same thing you are doing. why are you advocating not comparing them, isn't that welcoming ignorance?




posted on Dec, 26 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: bottleslingguy
what do you mean- again with? Again with? how about for starters and you never get past it you just jump around it and suck up everything these morons were claiming back in the 1800s. "Symmetry" means, for example when you're cutting a hole with a copper hole saw that needs to be changed every so many number of cuts the next one had better be an exact replica or else the symmetry of the hole will not be the same all the way through. The examples we see in Giza and other places are consistently symmetrical. Where is the proof you can do this with bamboo technology? Or when you are cutting a specific angle that has to match perfectly with another angle and you have to repeat this over and over and over and over and over and over... I hope you are getting the picture. Unless your tools are made perfectly identical you will not get consistent tolerances and symmetries especially for example when the tools are flopping around using a stupid bow saw with inconsistent pressures and angles of cuts. These are the real issues here, not what some guy thought up back in the 1800s while looking for fame and fortune to be the first to solve the riddle. You guys spent too much time reading the lies than you did DOING the actual work or understanding what is involved. just the fact you don't know what I'm talking about when I mention these things proves yer all focusing on the wrong things.


a reply to: Harte


Where is the evidence that these ancient holes are all exactly the same diameter throughout?

The fact that you don't know what I'm talking about (even though I've asked you about it at least four times in this thread) proves yer focusing on the wrong things.

Harte


My friend wouldn't you want to know if there is or isn't a difference? You are accusing me of exactly the same thing you are doing. why are you advocating not comparing them, isn't that welcoming ignorance?

I haven't advocated anything but the fact that granite can be cut through the use of copper and abrasives.

In fact, I asked multiple times for any info you might have on the "symmetries and tolerances" of Ancient Egyptian holes sawn in granite.

Unfortunately, this idea appears to be a vague notion you simply hold in your head for no good reason, so I can't begin to make the comparison you asked about.

Regarding your claim that "spiral" cuts can be seen in the pics of these holes you linked to, take a look at the hole I originally posted many pages back.

Exactly the same pattern on the inside surface as the ones you referenced.

Harte



posted on Dec, 26 2015 @ 02:03 PM
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No matter what you want to believe abrasives and a back and forth motion is not going to make the sides look like that. you can think it would but it doesn't. that is from the cutting tool moving down through the material. abrasives would polish the sides not leave a groove. You can protest that you know all about Egyptology but it has no bearing on the things that are most important. you've wasted your life on some fairytale. deal with it. and stay ignorant it suits you well.


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posted on Dec, 26 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: bottleslingguy
No matter what you want to believe abrasives and a back and forth motion is not going to make the sides look like that. you can think it would but it doesn't. that is from the cutting tool moving down through the material. abrasives would polish the sides not leave a groove.


You don't see the concentric grooves left in the hole sawn by Stocks in this pic I posted before?



Yeah. Right. "Polished."


originally posted by: bottleslingguy You can protest that you know all about Egyptology but it has no bearing on the things that are most important.

At least you don't mention those mysterious, unknown and undocumented "symmetries and tolerances" that you need to establish in order to (for some reason) debunk the established fact that granite can be sawn with copper and sand.


originally posted by: bottleslingguyyou've wasted your life on some fairytale. deal with it. and stay ignorant it suits you well.

You are so self-blinded by the ignorance you cling desperately (and neurotically) to that you don't even see that Stocks experiment left the same marks we see on AE sawn holes, and you have the nerve to characterize my view?

You think I don't get where you're coming from?
You:
"NO! It can't be true that the Egyptians used mundane means! Otherwise, there's no sparkles left in my world view!!!"


Go back to page 3. You'll see I entered this thread with proof that granite can be sawn with copper and sand, and I did so entirely in response to more than one poster that said it was impossible. Even you admitted it was true.

So, what's your problem here?

Are you now saying granite can't be cut this way?

Like I said before, let me know when you have something other than your personal opinion, created to support your world view of "ancient advanced tool use" or whatever it is you have in mind.

Harte



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 08:42 AM
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fig. 5.5 pg 143 is not in any chance of a rational person's mind going to give you a symmetrically spiral groove. no way. I don't care what picture you show me as yer proof. it's complete nonsense.

figs. 5.8-5.11 pg. 146 show people making food or powering some kind of devise or maybe they're making ice cream in a vessel that is already made. what makes the author think they are actually making these things? and this also falls under the category of why the hell don't they make beautiful vessels like this today with that technique? that's the thing about bamboo tech if it's so friggin easy why the hell don't they still do it that way? you mean somebody can't get 30,000 workers and just build another gigantic, perfectly symmetric eight sided pyramid with stick ropes and rocks?

it's funny how you act like I'm the only one who thinks this. I don't think this way because I visited Egypt I think this way because EVERY cut, not just the holes (which begs the question why they did this type of cut and how they aligned the subsequent holes using ropes and sticks aka bamboo tech) tells a story. why on Earth would you keep sawing into granite with hand tools once you had gone far enough? and again this brings up the time problem.




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posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: Harte
You know I've seen you post that.


Harte


Curious question Mr. Harte -
Until December 21st the solstice day of this year 2015
the only place to see those pics is on my website..so if you've seen them before???

The question is - have you secretly been following my quest for truth?


It's okay to come out of that sarcophagus academia has the box lid nailed shut on..history is changing.
I personally invite you to come along for the journey.
edit on 27-12-2015 by AquarianTrumpet because: fun



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: AquarianTrumpet

originally posted by: Harte
You know I've seen you post that.


Harte


Curious question Mr. Harte -
Until December 21st the solstice day of this year 2015
the only place to see those pics is on my website..so if you've seen them before???

The question is - have you secretly been following my quest for truth?


It's okay to come out of that sarcophagus academia has the box lid nailed shut on..history is changing.
I personally invite you to come along for the journey.

If you didn't post it here, I saw it on another forum.

It wasn't you?

Harte



posted on Dec, 27 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: AquarianTrumpet

originally posted by: Harte
You know I've seen you post that.


Harte


Curious question Mr. Harte -
Until December 21st the solstice day of this year 2015
the only place to see those pics is on my website..so if you've seen them before???

The question is - have you secretly been following my quest for truth?


It's okay to come out of that sarcophagus academia has the box lid nailed shut on..history is changing.
I personally invite you to come along for the journey.

If you didn't post it here, I saw it on another forum.

It wasn't you?

Harte


It was only on my website and a small quick glimpse in 1st the video (with no explanation)
until December 21st where I posted it to my FB Community before I posted it here.
No other websites have it unless a website member is showing my work as it is free for academic purposes.

It is getting around the Inter-web



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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Lmao!



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: punkinworks10

I wonder if it has anything to do with what Diodorus Siculus said of Khufu (Cheops) and Khafra (Chephren)?

"The kings designed these pyramids for their sepulchre; yet it happened that their remains were not here deposited. The people were so exasperated against them by the severe labors they had been compelled to endure, and were so enraged at the oppressive cruelty of their princes, that they threatened to take their bodies from their tombs, and cast them to the dogs. Both of them therefore, when dying, ordered their attendants to bury them in some secret place."

Herodotus and Diodorus Siculus are a mixed bag though. Herodotus was what four centuries earlier and he was still more than 2000 years after the pyramids were built. Herodotus is the primary reason that until recently it was believed that slaves built the pyramids at Giza (and that it took 100,000 slaves 20 years to do build the GP).


I think you did a good job showing the evolutionary line of development but I think that would be the case as well if it predated those tombs by a substantial duration. For example we can see in some of the South American architecture that the greater stone blocks were not reconstructed in kind but rebuilt with less sophisticated blocks.

My main hang up is that we have less grand mastaba's with clarity of purpose and yet the great pyramid, even after losing it's brilliant casing stones, gives someone a sense of awe and purpose that is entirely vacant inside.

Your quote addresses my concern at it's heart but the quote is a foot note quoting Diodorus that is attached to the account of Herodotus describing the vacancy of the pyramid of Cheops. I cannot find this quote of Diodorus intact to determine context. Do you, anyone, have the original?

Also thanks for earnestly taking up the other side of the Great Pyramid discussion.


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posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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Doesn't this all presuppose there was no pre-Egyptian civilization, though?



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: CajunMetal
Doesn't this all presuppose there was no pre-Egyptian civilization, though?


There isn't any evidence of a pre-Egyptian civilization (meaning a culture that had a political organization and developed farming techniques and had domesticated animals and people who had trades and lived in cities.)

pre-Egyptian cultures, yes. There's a tons (quite literally) of evidence all over the world for hundreds of thousands of different cultures.



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: CajunMetal
Doesn't this all presuppose there was no pre-Egyptian civilization, though?


So wiki has a whole page on this subject which doesn't exist ?
en.wikipedia.org...




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