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originally posted by: dragonridr
First the reason we have 360 degrees is its based off of Babylon and there base 60 numerical system.s.
originally posted by: AquarianTrumpet
Now I did say I haven't checked my documents to insure who the quote was from..
He (Surid) also ordered the priests to deposit their wisdom within them (The pyramids), written accounts of their wisdom and acquirements in the different arts and sciences with the writings of the priests containing all manner of wisdom, the names and properties of medical plants, and the sciences of arithmetic and geometry, that they might remain as records, for the benefit of those who could afterwards comprehend them In the eastern pyramid (Great pyramid) were inscribed the heavenly spheres, and figures representing the stars and planets The king, also, deposited the positions of the stars and their cycles; together with the history and chronicle of time past, of that which is to come, and every future event which would take place in Egypt'
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: dragonridr
First the reason we have 360 degrees is its based off of Babylon and there base 60 numerical system.s.
The reason the Babylonians divided a circle into 360 degrees is because they used a superior highly composite number
Namely the number 60. They inherited it from the Akkadians who inherited it from the Sumerians who allegedly invented it.
That was a sexagesimal (base 60) numeral system.
They also counted 360 days in a year, the year ended with lots of festivals to ensure that the gods returned five and a bit days later. Their new year began when the Pleiedes, which they saw as the seven sages (Gods) moved back into its new years day position, so their way of measuring the year was more accurate than ours
To the Sumerians, measurement was entwined in everything, so the 360 days in a year to them was the same as 360 degrees of a circle.
They also gave us 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in an hour.
This is how they wrote 3600
As they divided each degree into 10 Arc minutes
I'm hoping that you guys reading this are seeing how everything was intertwined into 360 or divisions of 60 for the Sumerians. This is also the reason that we divide the day into AM and PM, because 24 isn't a factor of 60, but 12 is...
originally posted by: dragonridrYour actually wrong about hours and why we have am and pm. The egyptiabs were credited with inventing the sun dial which they divided into 12 parts to match there numerical system base 12. The reason Am and PM simple the Egyptians could accurately measure the day but not the night. SO THEY DIFFERENTIATED THE TWO. This carried on through to today with am and pm.
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: Byrd
Here's the problem, though... "degrees" is something invented by humans in the last few centuries. If we'd decided to divide the sky by a different number (400 instead of 360 or 200, or 600) then Orion's declination wouldn't be "58 degrees."
Hmmm, you are not having a great day today Byrd, the Sumerians were responsible for that one
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: dragonridrYour actually wrong about hours and why we have am and pm. The egyptiabs were credited with inventing the sun dial which they divided into 12 parts to match there numerical system base 12. The reason Am and PM simple the Egyptians could accurately measure the day but not the night. SO THEY DIFFERENTIATED THE TWO. This carried on through to today with am and pm.
The "Egyptiabs" were credited with inventing the sun dial, which was based on Mesopotamian time keeping
Here is the oldest sun dial from Egypt
www.livescience.com...
Which post dates the collapse of the Sumerian civilisation by about 1200 years
originally posted by: dragonridr
No egypts base 12 system had nothing to do with sumerians thus is just a convoluted belief.the reason is very similar to why the Greeks chose 10 so you can do math with your hands. Of course Greek is obvious 10 fingers right. Well egtptians counted to 12 on one hand. Four fingers each decided into three aections.Look at your fingers you have a 12 segments on your fingers☺
Ancient Egyptian texts could be written in either hieroglyphs or in hieratic. In either representation the number system was always given in base 10.
Further evidence of the use of the base 10 number system can be found on the Narmer Macehead which depicts offerings of 400,000 oxen, 1,422,000 goats and 120,000 prisoners
originally posted by: bottleslingguy
yer either stonewalling or just really being intentionally ignorant about what I'm saying. I am not making any claim other than pointing out what you are using as evidence has never been compared to the stonework in Giza or anywhere else for that matter so how can you claim you've proven that's how it was done? a method was shown that it can scratch and abrade granite that's it. there is no connection with Giza whatsoever. it's not my claim it is a fact there has never been a forensic comparison.
originally posted by: bottleslingguy
so then why would anybody say that is how it was done? Again it's like convicting someone of murder just because they have fingerprints. Nobody took the time to see if they match but that's not important. the guy is human and has fingerprints- good enough for us! lol
a reply to: Harte
originally posted by: Marduk
originally posted by: dragonridr
No egypts base 12 system had nothing to do with sumerians thus is just a convoluted belief.the reason is very similar to why the Greeks chose 10 so you can do math with your hands. Of course Greek is obvious 10 fingers right. Well egtptians counted to 12 on one hand. Four fingers each decided into three aections.Look at your fingers you have a 12 segments on your fingers☺
Egypt used a base 10 system
en.wikipedia.org...
Ancient Egyptian texts could be written in either hieroglyphs or in hieratic. In either representation the number system was always given in base 10.
Further evidence of the use of the base 10 number system can be found on the Narmer Macehead which depicts offerings of 400,000 oxen, 1,422,000 goats and 120,000 prisoners
The earliest records of dactylonomy (finger counting) go back to Islam, not Egypt
en.wikipedia.org...
There goes your argument
originally posted by: dragonridr
The change to base 10 occurred around 2700 bce we were discussing the origins of hours which is earlier.
originally posted by: bottleslingguy
ok fine. how about anything done on calculating the time it would take to do it that way (bamboo tech) compared with how many stones with these same type of cuts? even if we conservatively reduce the number of estimated stones cut in a number of methods by half there is no way the Giza pyramids could be done in the "accepted" timeframe. even if the had one day for each stone from quarry to placement it couldn't happen. that cuts your argument right off at the knees so really all yer details are moot.
originally posted by: bottleslingguy
ok fine. how about anything done on calculating the time it would take to do it that way (bamboo tech) compared with how many stones with these same type of cuts? even if we conservatively reduce the number of estimated stones cut in a number of methods by half there is no way the Giza pyramids could be done in the "accepted" timeframe. even if the had one day for each stone from quarry to placement it couldn't happen. that cuts your argument right off at the knees so really all yer details are moot.
a reply to: Harte
originally posted by: bottleslingguy
even if we conservatively reduce the number of estimated stones cut in a number of methods by half there is no way the Giza pyramids could be done in the "accepted" timeframe. even if the had one day for each stone from quarry to placement it couldn't happen.
originally posted by: bottleslingguy
yer ignoring my question by focusing on something else now. it's called redirection, smoke and mirrors, shell game etc. Have any of the bamboo tech experimenters found out how long it takes one to cut through granite?
originally posted by: bottleslingguynot to mention the whole logistical nightmare it would be to do all that in twenty years with such perfection. not with sticks and stones no way you eggheads gloss over too much of the specifics it takes to systematically pump out consistent symmetry and control over tolerances necessary to wind up with what we have there. you can't smash an atom with a toaster oven.