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Could 5 Year Old Savant Really Be Telepathic?

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posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 03:32 PM
I see James Randi mentioned several times in this thread and
even though he is dead I do believe his million dollar prize for
proof of telepathy is still up for grabs from his foundation.

This woman and child should start there IMO. Someone
who cares should conatct her and give her the info on
contacting the Randi Foundation.

This could be the start of something HUGE

...or it could be that one of this kid's savant talents is the ability
to watch a person's arm movements--process that info into
numbers, then recall them at will...or worse, it could be a fraud
where his mother has given him the numbers to memorize...
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posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 05:57 PM

originally posted by: leolady
a reply to: Excallibacca

4) He could see the way her arm moved when she wrote the last line

Mmhmm. I thought about this too. The kid could of watched her arm/hand movements as she wrote the numbers on the paper. If he is that precisionally inclined toward mathematics on a savant level and having learned several languages then he indeed could of mastered the art of visuallizing what is being written as the hand and arm and writing tool curved around the page while writing numbers and created patterns he had become familiar with and already cataloged into this brain. & if he were capable of doing this being that savant that he is, it would indeed come across as "magical" to the average human mind who does not have this type of capability.

Let's take a look at the wiki definition of telepathy

Telepathy (from the Ancient Greek τῆλε, tele meaning "distant" and πάθος, pathos or -patheia meaning "feeling, perception, passion, affliction, experience")[3][4] is the purported transmission of information from one person to another without using any of our known sensory channels or physical interaction

So in the case of this autistic boy, we can see that according to the definition above, the boy could of used an un-known sensory channel to become telepathic. If he watched her body movements because he had memorized the curves of numbers then we would easily be able to recite those numbers back to his mother. He senses/ and sees what the average person would never waste their time paying attention to and then catalogs it into his extremely smart mind.

and on the other side of this idea of telepathy...

a reply to: JimNasium

You 'may' find interest in Edgar Cayce who cured 1,000s after getting into a meditative state working through the 'akasha'.

a reply to: awareness10

Yes Cayce certainly did a lot of good for many people and have also read many of his accounts. I particularily like that he mentioned 'Russia' being the hope of the world in his future.

It is interesting you both bring up Edgar Cayce, aka The Sleeping Prophet. Who appeared to be extremely telepathic.

I believe everyone can be telepathic to a certain extent. I've been to the Edgar Cayce research center, A.R.E Center - Association for Research and Enlightenment Center where they offer a free class (Extra-Sensory Perception ESP Demonstration Class) where they demonstrate and allow each person in the class to test their own abilities. If I remember correctly, the test had three to four categories and afterward, you find out which category you respond to with the most strength. We learned the different types of mind reading and knowing the future types of telepathy that exist. People can be strong in one area but completely weak in another. I think I tested well in the precognition category.

Clairvoyance: Paranormal acquisition of information concerning an object or contemporary physical event; in contrast to telepathy, the information is assumed to derive directly from an external physical source (such as a concealed photograph), and not from the mind of another person.

Telepathy: paranormal acquisition of information concerning the thoughts, feelings or activity of another conscious being; the word has superseded earlier expressions such as “thought-transference.”

Precognition: A form of extrasensory perception in which the target is some future event that cannot be deduced from normally known data in the present.


Our ATS UFO lore is full of examples where phenomena is analyzed with very limited information. We get a wide range of responses and often learn more than we expected to. I think one of the keys to this thread is the fact that the gifted child is autistic, due to the structure of the autistic brain, the cerebellum is larger and the corpus callosum is smaller.

In lay terms this may just mean the brain is a little more conceptually hard wired and less prone to schizophrenic turbulence in the Corpus Callosum. This could be of Philosophical importance, since some of our greatest scientific and mathematical minds register rather far into the autistic spectrum. You might not find yourself at home reading some of their material.

As for the James Randi million dollar award for proving paranormal abilities under laboratory conditions, I wonder if they finally met their match? Who would be the judge in a situation like that? Randi was obviously selecting applicants he was sure could be debunked in a laboratory setting.

posted on Nov, 7 2015 @ 06:01 PM
Biggest indicator of deception in my opinion is that both the child and the mother said the numbers in double digit form. If he was sensing the numbers from the board and they were all running together like that, why would he say them in double digit form? He was tought them that way by her. Also he repeated a number while reciting. A very common occurrence when reciting from helps one to keep their place and remember where they edit off.

100% hoax in my opinion. Her voice sounds like a pushy scam artist.

posted on Nov, 8 2015 @ 11:56 AM
a reply to: Argus100

Profiting from patterns and resonance where do you draw the line?

posted on Nov, 8 2015 @ 01:09 PM
a reply to: jtrenthacker

This begins with a personal exposition of qualifications to speak about TOO smart/Spiritual sorts.
Skip to the bottom lines, you efficient types.
I am in a relationship with the smartest person (perhaps a tie with a Dr. I knew) I've met.

My intelligence has been tested (tough to avoid!) and I'm was normally ranked in the upper 1 or 2 percent and the range of 133 to 155 points. I have had psychic interactions that were statistically unexplainable and some that were damn spooky.

My sweetie, in comparison, has an eidetic memory and perfect pitch. Has regular interactions with truly weird events and is way smarter than me. At the time of her passing the Professional Engineering licensing conducted at Princeton U, her proctor asked if the class would take an IQ test to see if a correlation existed between the PE Exam results and their IQ. Considering that she has never formally studied English and does running translations from Russian to English and the reverse, I think the score of 169 as extraordinary.

I am frequently mystified by less intelligent folks. Much of their thinking comes from motivations which are crudely formed and rarely investigated EXCEPT to buttress their edifice of ignorance. Scholars, to be considered as such, must be able to speak to an array of topics emanating from their expertise. They have to be familiar with any contradictory evidence even if culled from a wholly disparate field and dissect it's effect upon his thoughts. The slower sorts find it impossible to slog through all of that "stuff". It's understandable. They are deficient in the means to do so.
(Why they insist on their opinions is my personal Black Hole of Despair.)
Average types, if open minded, can at least get the gist of what all those clever people are saying without gaining a certification of complete understanding. Of the great unwashed , these are the dudes I have beers with.

Now all of you reading may be more aware and cognizant than me, but I find that when I interact with my darling, I grasp she is not fully understanding me. She is not confused but bemused. This is how it is. Luckily for me this isn't too frequent. No one wants to be a specimen. Her statement qualifying me as OK? "You are smart enough."
Criticizing her choices made outside of emotional arenas is about fruitless for me. She is on top of it. She does have fully human attributes and sometimes they fail her. Mother's love in particular. Her method of dealing with dolts? She withdraws. As she says, 'I hate no one and wish them no harm. I don't have to deal with them.' Thus dismissing her problems.
She just doesn't tolerate them in her personal space. This has destroyed her social networking. Her emotional intelligence
is not stunted. She just gets to the point not tolerating what she wishes not to.
What does this have to do with this kid?

If he is this smart with these flaws and talents, we less quick and gifted sorts, will always be wondering what is going on in his head. He will be able to map us but perhaps never understand our cores. We will not be 'sensible' to him as his mind leaps ahead of the pack. I hope he is made as sociable as possible and deeply rooted in his humanity.
Many worry about AIs. This kid is one if not induced to be human.

It seems to me that the smarter the person the more likely this spiritual interaction will manifest.
This is merely an observation. Does anyone have source which invalidates (contrary evidence MUST be appreciated) or concurs? I'd appreciate it.
It also might allow a better handle on that protean cutie.

posted on Nov, 8 2015 @ 02:08 PM
a reply to: largo

I believe the child is simply not limited and/or influenced by his surroundings coupled with what must be a good nurturing environment both from his parents (the love and affection they give in abundance) to the actual environmental space he inhabits, all of this must have created the right condition for him to be less limited than most.

I couldn't make sense of your post, it felt like I was reading the egotistical ramblings of a typical academic who needs to use specific words to sound like his/her narrative is of some value while also writing something that I would find in a book. True intelligence is known when a person of intellect (of some degree) is able to understand enough of the world around him or her that they can then explain the universe in terms of 'apples' and 'oranges'.

If you don't know what I mean then you need to take a step back come of your ego pedestal and take a big bite of the humble pie, trying to flounder your so called intelligence in this thread because you somehow feel threatened by that kid doesn't look smart, it looks downright childish.

What about Apples and Oranges? The universe is simple my friend and takes some travelling to get through the complexity to find the simplicity but its there. When you reach a level of understanding and you realise how something in this vast universe works at an incredibly complex level that by doing so, you are able to explain its nature in a few simple words.

That's what God is about, why religious books of old were more like parables and poetry than actuality and facts because people were of such limited ego's back then they didn't need complex books to parade their self serving grandeur they were humbled by the knowledge they had acquired so a few simple words were enough to allow their mind to do the rest.

Apples and Oranges? You still don't know? Einstein on a stall in a market selling apples and oranges - very few people will get this.

I am either an old god or an old dog, its a matter of perception so I am either intellectually superior to you (and boy my ego must enjoy that) or I am vastly inferior because I behave like a dog...I prefer the latter.

Good day.
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posted on Nov, 8 2015 @ 05:42 PM
a reply to: jtrenthacker

It could very well be a case of hand signals that an obviously bright boy is capable of reading. two finger plus 4 finger equals 24. the part where he said zero two gave me the suspicion that these type of hand gestures are behind the phenomena. Or he can straight up have super natural gifts. More concrete tests will have to be done and shown to convince me yet he does seem very special either way.

posted on Nov, 8 2015 @ 11:38 PM

originally posted by: rajas
Even though he is interesting, he still has to go through puberty, and i bet you those skills arent gonna help with getting a lady..

Actually, if you go up to a woman, tell her you're psychic, and then prove it by guessing a number she picks from 1-100, if you're right she'll probably leave with you, or atleast be open to a conversation. Your standard success rate with this is 1%, but people tend to pick certain patterns so with some statistical analysis you can get it up to about 15% or 1 in 6.

This kid could do it 100% of the time, if real.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 10:17 AM
a reply to: FreeThinkerbychoice

Very likely the case in this day and age of flouting our ego's its not surprising someone would do this or go to this extent to create a lie and parade it on the internet.

He is a smart kid nevertheless.

posted on Nov, 9 2015 @ 11:42 AM
I would point out that even the kitchen sponge only holds so much water...
the brain too can get completely I am prone to think that this 'wonder-kid' will someday achieve,,,

the desire for normalcy will eventually cause the youngster to forego his immersion into the 'brainiac world' as he realizes there will be no turning back-the-clock to being human with faults & all if he continues in an obsession with mind power & the fringes of psyche activity....

Ramses.... what a artistic (Stage) name given by an artist mother

posted on Nov, 10 2015 @ 06:02 PM
My initial reaction to this was that young Ramses must have extraordinary memory abilities and / or be being coached by his mother.So i decided to look for more cases of alleged telepathy in autistic children and came up with this article about a young autistic girl from India named Nandana published by the.khaleejtimes.

Nandana was diagnosed as a highly functioning child with autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) and attention deficit hyperactivity syndrome (ADHD).

The extent of Nandanas condition meant It was very difficult for Nandanas parents to teach her even the concept of some basic objects,she struggled to even comprehend that a cup was a cup.

Nandanas parents said they noticed the “unusual coincidence” of her reactions to her mother’s thoughts,they soon released that it was more than a mere coincidence.“We don’t know how this is happening. But, she can feel my emotions and read my thoughts,” said Nandana’s mother,

“ Now, if I prompt her to type what I am thinking of, she can do that. Sometimes there could be spelling mistakes and she cannot understand the concept of punctuation marks and the space bar. If I say space in my mind when she types the words, she might start typing the word ‘space’ instead of leaving a space between the words,” said Nadanas mother.

So there is certainly other cases of autistic children showing signs of telepathy

posted on Nov, 10 2015 @ 10:07 PM
a reply to: St Udio

I would point out that even the kitchen sponge only holds so much water... the brain too can get completely I am prone to think that this 'wonder-kid' will someday achieve,,,

At 5 years old I remember having an aversion to fiction, didn't want to fill up my sponge with stuff that wasn't real.
Story lines that had two or more possible meanings couldn't be reliably built on without guessing the correct intent.
As adults we understand there is nothing to worry about, as they say it all comes out in the wash.

The human brain has the storage capacity of about 2.5 petabytes and with 86 billion neurons it can process about 6 * 10 ^18 instructions per second. Autism probably does cause a child to favor certain learning modes.

We often conjecture about our realities being an illusion on ATS, and in the final analysis the nature of randomness may be one of those illusions.

If you flip a coin once, the outcome of whether it will land heads or tails seems pretty random. Flip the coin a billion times and you start seeing run counts of 28 sequential heads or tails in a row. The counts of long runs of all heads or all tails for a given sample size becomes much more predictable as the sample size goes over a billion flips.

posted on Nov, 10 2015 @ 10:35 PM
There is nothing magic about telepathy. If a mind is a sensitive enough receiver, then it can pick up the radio frequency that other minds generate and output. Everyone has a unique frequency that their mind transmits. It is a weak signal, but it exists. This is science fact.

posted on Nov, 12 2015 @ 01:07 AM
a reply to: thebabyseagull

Amazing stuff about this little girl!

Check this out: A specialist psychologist said the following in the linked info:

"This is a very rare phenomenon of transmission of memory without a medium.”

What is odd about this statement from a Psychologist/psychiatrist is that it shows his lack of knowledge about the actual functioning mechanics of the brain, because there is a "medium" present which has been shown many times in lab experiments showing that the mind transmits RF signal on a very narrow band frequency which is unique for every human being like a fingerprint is unique for every human being.

The "medium" is radio frequency! And this guy doesn't even know that. How can someone like that be so smart in what they do, and then have little gaps of ignorance that are so blatant, is beyond reasoning in my opinion.

ETA: And the guy even says the word "transmission" but fails to understand that the answer to his conundrum is in the very words he speaks./

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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 11:11 AM
This is fascinating to me because it might explain a relationship I had in childhood with a classmate who had autism. I don't know where he qualifies on the spectrum as it is defined now, because in the 1970's we never had such discussions among laypersons. I do know he did not speak. He would make car noises sometimes when we were pretending to race cars but I can't recall ever hearing a word out of him. Nor did he respond to the teacher's attempts to speak to him

It caused quite a stir among his parents and the school administrators and the teacher when he and I struck up a friendship. I became the only person he would or could respond to. If they needed him to do something, they had me convey it to him.

But while I spoke to him sometimes, mostly I would just think about what I wanted him to do and he would do it. And somehow I knew what he wanted to do. But I was only six or seven so I don't remember how I did it and I was thoroughly almost interrogated by the adults involved and I couldn't explain it, either.

We held hands a lot, in a non romantic way. He was insistent on holding my hand and that somehow seemed essential for us to initiate communication though we didn't have to keep hold to communicate. I do remember when we linked hands it was like entering another world just we two had and we could play.

For reasons I don't understand they took him out of my class and placed him with younger students. I would see him and wave to him but he didn't acknowledge me. He often didn't acknowledge me unless our hands were linked first.

He seemed to take the separation fine though he soon disappeared and I never found out what became of him. I on the other hand was devastated and it was like losing a twin. I've lost many friends through moves or school changes but I was never affected by a separation like that before or since. I wish I could explain what we had but I don't know myself and now the memory has dimmed since it was over 40 years ago.

In later years I came to wonder if we shared a form of telepathy. I'm extremely average in most ways but there are certain people I've met over the course of my life that for some reason I feel compelled to blurt out a sentence they were just about to say. It's creepy but the few this has happened with were close to me and thought it was amusing and uncanny. If my autistic friend had his own form of telepathy and I had this odd empathy with the part of the brain that renders thought to speech, maybe I was able to help close that breach in his brain where thought could not make it to speech. It's a shame the adults were so hamfisted and didn't think to study our ability to work as a team and continue to make use of our bond to facilitate his education.

His parents asked my parents permission for me to do so and we all agreed. So it was a shock to me when he was just suddenly ripped away from me. Again we were little and none of it was romantic bonding in any way. I was quite a tomboy actually.

Oddly I noticed that a boy in my daughter's martial arts classes who has a milder form of autism was also drawn to her. He was more calm and focused when stood next to her or placed in her team. But not by enough that they could allow him to stay in class, unfortunately.

posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 04:44 PM
a reply to: SheeplFlavoredAgain

I've met people like that who tend toward the extreme end of the autistic spectrum. Actually to the point of being institutionalized. When I was in grade scool my church group visited a home for challenged citizens (like the Rainman character). I met a resident there that was a brilliant chess player despite having a very limited verbal repetoire. The only words he spoke during the entire visit were "play chess - play chess".

As you move up the spectrum to less autistic I've heard them complain about "too much furniture".
There are too many places I could go with the hand holding thing to clarify that experience.

My Grandparents enjoyed watching Hummingbirds but lived on the top of a cold windy knoll.
My Grandfater built his radio room out from one wall creating a protected inside corner, and my grandmother planted a flowering bush like Bee Balm there on one side of a picture window. Whenever the cold wind blew the Hummingbirds chose that bush to feed from. Maybe its just time away from us that they need, don't take it personally.

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