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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
There are a ton of politicians who are simply using socialist ideals and programs, especially when so many people need help in tough times, and this gains political success for those using socialism as a tool for personal enrichment. The money gained from raising taxes to pay for 'help for the people in need' first goes to newly hired administrators to furnish their new offices with expensive things, and to pay lots of salaries which pay very nicely.
What is left after all the politicians get their cut aren't enough to help the needy, and after a few years go by there are five times more needy people than there was before the social programs began, so they grow the size of government even bigger, hire more pals to administer them, and then rinse and repeat.
Now we have tent cities and ghettos, and crime galore with long lines at food banks while bleeding heart socialist politicians live the good life. How many fancy chefs work at the White house now?
Socialism is a big lie. Not because it is supposed to be, but because the scum sucking toilets like the "Obama's" of America make it that way. Broken promises served like a 100 course deluxe meal. Or even a smorgasbord of broken promises and drinks included.
What is the easiest way to take advantage of people? Ask them to donate money to all those in need because people care about their fellow men and women, but the corrupt in government know they can use that for selfish reasons and they are still doing it right now.
Now they are cannibalizing social security and 401 K's and all the "untouchables" to pay for what? For the rich to get richer?
originally posted by: Ceeker63
Socialism does not work. Look at a prime example, Russia. The government was not designed to be the all provider of everything in America. IMHO Socialism + Democrats = Failure to succeed. I can look back and see that nothing Socialism and Democrats have done, did not help the American population. They have only provided a entitlement society which is failing.
originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I think America should stop holding European socialism up as such a great thing. I used to think the Nordic countries were successful societies until you see their recent embrace of neo facist politics, where they are now burning down refugee camps. Hardly something to aspire to. They aren't some advanvanced group of countries. Their greatest legacy will be abba and flat pack furniture and pickled fish, maybe you could make some concessions to become a more ethical capitalism trying to keep money out of politics and things like that, but Europe at the moment should not be seen as some type of utopia especially if you see what's going on in some parts right now.
originally posted by: madmac5150
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: madmac5150
"It is vain to fight totalitarianism by adopting totalitarian methods. Freedom can only be won by men unconditionally committed to the principles of freedom. The first requisite for a better social order is the return to unrestricted freedom of thought and speech."
-Ludwig von Mises
I was a USAF SNCO... never in my life did I pledge my life for my government... I pledged my life to my Constitution. Guess I am just old school...
The answer is a society where the means of production—factories, mines, railroads, the energy sources, all things used to create new wealth—are owned publicly, not privately. And that means socialism—a society where private property has been abolished.
The goal of socialism is communism.
Marxist doctrine holds that just as society evolved from feudalism to capitalism, it will inexorably progress still further to socialism and eventually communism. Communists consider socialism to be an intermediary step between capitalism (out of which socialism is said to grow) and communism.
Socialists generally view private property relations as limiting the potential of the productive forces in the economy. From this perspective, private property becomes obsolete when it concentrates into centralized, socialized institutions based on private appropriation of revenue until the role of the capitalist becomes redundant. With largely reduced capital accumulation from the original class of owners, private property in the means of production is to be replaced with a free association based on public or common ownership of socialized assets.(8)
originally posted by: introvert
It's amazing how ignorant people are when it comes to socialism and history.
Socialism is an inevitable part of any and all societies. It's part of the human species and how we naturally operate.